See, by far the best sprinter on accomplishment has been Street Boss, and he ran solid this past weekend, yet it did not even cross your eastern biased mind. :D

IMHO Zenyatta is a much better filly then Azeri. Azeri was a running machine but Zenyatta is a straight up freak who I think can get better.

No, I was pointing out that there was no East Coast horse that could realistically be considered. By inference, it pretty much had to be a West Coast based horse. Though, Indian Blessing will be one of the three finalists I assume.

Which West Coast based horse won the most Grade 1s sprinting. You might want to think about this one.

Intagaroo and you know I pointed it out elsewhere that she won the west, midwest, and east coasts grade 1 sprint events, something to my knowledge never has happened before.

I missed that post....but yes.

Of course, she shouldn't be considered, but it is interesting.

I wonder which three of Midnight Lute, Street Boss, Indian Blessing and Benny the Bull will be the finalists.

benny the bull, midnight lute and street boss in my opinion.

I know which one I dont want.

BTB win in Dubai technically is not counted right?

Midnight Lute won the sprint but finsihed 7th the other run, I dont like rewarding a 2 race season with an Eclipse, though he is the best horse by a distance of the group.

I thought there were two seperate awards for males and females. I don't know who gets it for males but I'd probably vote for Midnight Lute. For the females, even though I think Indian Blessing is the better one, I'd vote for Intangaroo. I don't see how Intangaroo's record doesn't trump Indian Blessing's. Indian Blessing won two grade one's sprinting and both were against 3yo fillies. She beat open company once, in a grade two. None of the horses that completed the exactas and tris in those three races have done anything of note, save for maybe one or two grade three wins. Meanwhile, Intangaroo won three open company grade one races and two of them, the Humana Distaff and the Ballerina were on real dirt. In those races, she beat Baroness Thatcher, Hystericalady, Miraculous Miss, and Sugar Swirl, all graded stakes winners and gave them all weight while doing it. Based on record, it's really not even close.

For reals? You really think that Kotoshaan wasn't a better horse than those two?

I don't know how to respond to that.

If the Dubai World Cup counts for Curlin, why wouldn't a sprint race in Dubai count for BTB?? That would be a gross double standard.

Champion filly sprinter has to be IB or Ventura. Intangaroo lost too many times, and was soundly beaten in the BC.

You'd get no argument from me accept that I don't want to reward a filly who's only two sprint wins came on synthetics when there are two deserving candidates with dirt wins.

Ok so let me get this straight. The Dubai World Cup is for all intents and purposes, an American race. But you say it doesn't count. They have given the championships to numerous European horses that have come over and run once and won because their European records supported it but when one of ours runs overseas, it doesn't count? How fair is it that Singspiel has a championship without winning a single race in the United States but won anyway because his foreign record supported it but Curlin's race in Dubai doesn't count. If Curlin's Dubai race doesn't count, then the accomplishments overseas of no other horses count and some Eclipse awards need to be rescinded. Like I've said before, I don't disagree with anyone that says that the criteria of the awards should be changed to say that a horse has to start at least 4-5 times here and that his foreign record isn't to be considered. Won't disagree at all. But until they make that change, under the present criteria and with precedent clearly having been set over and over again, Dubai absolutely does count.

Curlin will be HOY. Zenyatta had a teriffic campaign, but needed to run and win in the BCC to get the top honor, IMO. Personally, I'd put Big Brown over Zenyatta in the voting too.
When Azeri won HOY, it was mainly because there wasn't a top older male or 3yo alternative. (Volponi's BCC finalized that) The Champion older male in 2002 was Left Bank.. and Champion male 3yo was War Emblem, neither ended the year as worthy of HOY. Azeri deserved the title, but in a sense, won by default.
In 2008, Curlin and Big Brown are both worthy.

??? Wasnt Lady's Secret beating up on the boys all year long in '86:confused:

She won one race in 4 tries against males in '86: The Whitney over Ends Well and Fuzzy... She was 2nd in the Woodward to Precisionist (by 5L); 3rd in the Iselin to Roo Art and Precisionist (3.5L) and 3rd in the Met Mile to Garthorn and Love That Mac (1.25L).

Don't start knocking Fuzzy.

Turkoman was fourth in that Met Mile.

I think she finished ahead of Personal Flag in the Woodward.

He wasn't exactly a superstar ( and he was one of my personal favorites ). What were his big wins....the Queen's County and a three horse blanket finish in the Widener?