How can I be jealous of something that can't be seen without the Hubble telescope?

Is it ok if I put you down as a reference? I'll put down that you're the manager of an exclusive horse racing fantasy league I'm trying to be a part of.

Hey maybe we can be friends and I'll teach you how to bet with a cell phone!!

Dude, I think you meant to say microscope.

Can we please get this thread back on track and resume insulting trainers?

It's a fat joke.

This thread was destined for a good derailing. Indirect defense of Todd Beattie? Please.

Before you know it we'll be talking about 401k's and commodities trading.

Believe me, it was not my intent for this thread to be a defense of Beattie.

It was, in fact, this defense of Beattie that converted this thread over to the ridiculing of trainers in general!

I'd have thunk, of all people on here, that you'd have enough gumption to join in.

Meh. Fabulous Strike caters to the white trailer trash demographic of racing...

In sports terms the closest I can make a comparison is the chav Ricky Hatton...yet Hatton has more accomplishments.

I am relieved that I didnt make the stupid list. I overvalue my own opinion is an interesting comment. I didnt know it was possible to overvalue ones own opinion. Maybe just those that are full of themselves?

I only pointed out that you are getting your info from the racing media which is not an infallible source and is easily manipulated. My opinion may not be better or smarter than someone who doesnt work in the industry but it surely is far more informed. I try to express the reality of the business and in some ways offer a glimpse inside. You want to call trainers liars and dishonest and my attitude is tiring?

At least admit you have some kind of agenda, especially if you dont bet...

Chuck, I think you addressed a very important point, one that often needs to be clarified. In my opinion, it's certainly not a case of a person who works within the industry having a "better" or "smarter" opinion than another person who does not work within the industry. It's far to easy at this point to get hung up on semantics. However, it is very understandable that the person who works in the industry (yes, of course, depending on capacity, experience, role, scope, etc.) -- that opinion would be better informed, more qualified, based upon practical application, everyday experience, and coming from a place of more tangible substance.

There is an entire discussion, several, that take place in and around this, but I do think that some people can embrace this mindset and others will not; even go beyond not embracing and fighting it. That's OK.

Not to get to philosophical, but the "universe of knowledge" concept speaks to aspects . . .

1) You know what you know (in my case, I know that I know how to drive a car).

2) You know what you don't know (I know I don't know how to perform brain surgery).

3) You don't know what you don't know (figure that out on your own, LOL).

And some speak about a fourth --

4) The knowledge that you don't know, but you think you do (another that people should figure out on their own, LOL) -- and this aspect can be dangerous.

Anyway, excellent points Chuck.

Eric

i almost realized there was a lot i didn't know but just hung myself out of boredom halfway through reading the post instead.