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Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, he does to be considered a top sire. he's marginalized himself. and practically nothing you put on here makes sense.

i think i am making sense... why does he need a great dirt horse, when there are major meets on poly, synthetic all weather or whatever you want to call it ....

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'll stipulate that he was a tremendous racehorse, but let's look at the following facts as a stallion: 31% winners from foals; 5% stakes-winners; median earnings of $14,599; and an AEI of 1.98 versus a CI of 3.55. That hardly qualifies as a "bargain" at $125,000.

that's a crappy ROI. he'd be declaring bankruptcy if he was a business.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

what? do you mean are or our?

our... so the convo is over now ? your going to start this ? thats fine, i will say anything else in the thread

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think i am making sense... why does he need a great dirt horse, when there are major meets on poly, synthetic all weather or whatever you want to call it ....

of course you think you are....

why does he need dirt horses? what meets get the most attention? churchill, two meets, with the biggest race in the country held there-on dirt. the three classics, on dirt. florida, dirt. new york, dirt. maryland, dirt. what part of 'this sport is predominantly based on dirt' do you not understand? you can't be a great sire, if you can't produce great horses, and the best horses here are considered to be classic, dirt horses. did you notice the post above, with his median earnings? that's awful, and pathetically awful when you consider his stud fee.
he is a turf and AWT sire. that doesn't mean he's bad-but he is overpriced by a mile, and is a 'niche' sire. only the very rich can afford him, and they get what they paid for-a turfer. problem is, they're overpaying for that turfer.

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

our... so the convo is over now ? your going to start this ? thats fine, i will say anything else in the thread

going to start what? i wanted to make sure that was the sentence, as it seemed you had left something out if you read it with the 'are'. jesus.

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Isn't it a little unfair to compare Storm Cat to Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or Raise A Native?

I'm no pedigree expert but I don't see how that's a fair comparison.

NT

Unfair? If he's a sire of sires, then those are the standards to compare against.

$4 a gallon, now that's unfair!

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think i am making sense.

:wf

today is race day... its actually a deep group... i like one of the indian charlies, i dont like the one coming from cali! i also like the 1 entry

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

today is race day... its actually a deep group... i like one of the indian charlies, i dont like the one coming from cali! i also like the 1 entry

FU-K!!!

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice PG'85 Giants Causeway impersonation.

It's a loaded 55K stake anyway - Sweet Hope is back on dirt and in there. Puskita and Indian Way are obviously both very talented and will be the two to beat.

I expect a few scratches for sure.

Do you remember Sweet Hope from the Keeneland Sale? She worked :20 1/5.

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

First a disclaimer for people who haven't figured out yet that I'm probably the biggest fan of Indian Charlie (the horse version) in the world. I follow his progeny fairly closely.

That out of the way, two of the very impressive recent maiden filly winners he's had, Puskita and Indian Way, somehow ended up in the same race at Delaware Park on the 23rd.

Indian Way's debut was at SA back in April. She hopped at the start and was off real slow. She was about ten back early on and then went seven wide while rallying up for third.

She made her next start about a month later and got away cleanly. She was up near the lead and drew off as they turned for home for an easy five length win in about 114.3, over a ridiculously fast track.

I don't expect this one to be around very long as she's trained by Harty.

Puskita debuted May 25th at Pimlico off of only two published works. In what I felt was a stunning debut, she pressed just off the pace and drew off to win by 15 in 110.3, over a pretty slow track. She only got a 96 BSF for that performance, but man, she looked like a freight train coming down the lane!

Indian Way is in Tony Dutrow's barn now. I don't know how she ended up in his barn. Mercedes Stable still owns her. Indian Way ran huge at Hollywood Park. Most people consider that race to easily be the strongest filly maiden race of the meet. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place finishers are all decent horses and IW blew them away.

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Do you remember Sweet Hope from the Keeneland Sale? She worked :20 1/5.

Yes.

I bet her in her US debut - and touted her on Steve's show with the assumption that she was a Euro flop and the meds over here might bring her back to life.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes.

I bet her in her US debut - and touted her on Steve's show with the assumption that she was a Euro flop and the meds over here might bring her back to life.

I wish I would have known she was running that day at Bay Meadows. I don't know how I missed her. I didn't even realize that she had run in this country until she was entered in the stakes race at Hollywood. I made a big bet on her that day but she lost.