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blackthroatedwind 06-16-2008 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The golden age...
No doubt. That's when the cheaters were GOOD.

SniperSB23 06-17-2008 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I don't agree with adjusting figures for races like that just so they "fit" previous form.
I don't like it either. Why can't they just leave these ones as they were? Are we really to believe that the stretch of track from where they start the 9 furlong races to where they start the 8.5 furlong races is so slow that it needs to be split out?

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Exactly. Now, as soon as Baffert realizes what a mistake he made skipping the Belmont with her, we'll be all set.

It must be keeping him up at night. After all, we know she's better than Da Tara, and she can outrun him.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
To be serious for a second, what did you think of Pyro's effort? I wasn't blown away, but with a minor step forward isn't he still right there among 3 year olds this year?
He's OK. All things considered, he could be a factor in 3YO races later this year. We'll see.

Indian Charlie 06-17-2008 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
This is one of the funniest posts in the history of the world. I really mean that. I can't see though why Baffert would have considered for more than a nanosecond for the Belmont Stakes. Her loss in Louisiana didn't inspire confidence that she wanted to go further.
Hey, don't sell yourself short, I think your post is even funnier!

miraja2 06-17-2008 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Her loss in Louisiana didn't inspire confidence that she wanted to go further.
Neither did anything she did BEFORE that race....as I think about 40 of us tried to tell you at that time.

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
But what everyone else didn't seem to understand was that I don't base on projections. Whether or not she wanted to run a single step futher than 8 or 8.5f was irrelevant at that point to me. What was relevant was that up to that point and distance, she had proven as much as anyone else in the crop had. But it's really not worth getting into this debate again.

Just one last thing though. Races at 10f aren't the only things I consider when evaluating. They also run races at distances of 6f, 7f, 8f, and 9f. I feel that at the distances that the majority of races are run for 3yo's, she's still arguably in the top five of 3yo's this year. I'd take her over Pyro if both were running in the Dwyer. Of course, I'd take that horse that beat her in her last over both of them. And the other horse that's beaten her, Proud Spell, I'd take her too. Both of the ones that have beaten her are no slouches and make cases for themselves to be considered top five 3yo's this year too.
Really?

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
But what everyone else didn't seem to understand was that I don't base on projections. Whether or not she wanted to run a single step futher than 8 or 8.5f was irrelevant at that point to me. What was relevant was that up to that point and distance, she had proven as much as anyone else in the crop had. But it's really not worth getting into this debate again.

Just one last thing though. Races at 10f aren't the only things I consider when evaluating. They also run races at distances of 6f, 7f, 8f, and 9f. I feel that at the distances that the majority of races are run for 3yo's, she's still arguably in the top five of 3yo's this year. I'd take her over Pyro if both were running in the Dwyer. Of course, I'd take that horse that beat her in her last over both of them. And the other horse that's beaten her, Proud Spell, I'd take her too. Both of the ones that have beaten her are no slouches and make cases for themselves to be considered top five 3yo's this year too.
SHE IS 100% top 5, and shes a champion, ppl fail to understand that

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Really?
i think i would take her over pyro today... my crystal ball says she'd cruise

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Spare me the champion stuff. There is just no way that she is top 5 right now. As it is, she's the 3rd best filly after Proud Spell and Zaftig and that's real debateable because I think Pure Clan is better at this point than Indian Blessing. And what about Akoma? Indian Blessing is nice, but the field has caught up with her this year.
shes top 5, even if its 5, shes still top 5

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:39 PM
shes is better then pure clan... i can say that without a doubt

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I grant you that she may be the third best filly behind those two. But I just can't pick out two colts that I think are better than her. That's my thing. After Big Brown, I don't see another one.
the fillies are tons stronger this year, they are carrying the 3 yrold crop

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:42 PM
i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I grant you that she may be the third best filly behind those two. But I just can't pick out two colts that I think are better than her. That's my thing. After Big Brown, I don't see another one.
So, you think she would beat J Be K at 7F?

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I love your lists, so who are the top 5 3 year olds right now?
3 yr olds ? or 3 yr old filles ?


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