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jcs11204 06-08-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
This statement is so far from reality it defies logic. Bad field, Piazza had half way decent recent form and you're comparing Gary to Dutrow? Puh-leeze.

i pointed out that this statement would not be loved around here, even if it was somewhere else i still dont think that statement is legit

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 09:01 PM

Desert Key got away with a very easy first quarter. He might be a very nice horse, he wasn't awesome yesterday, but he has a little way to go before he it is really fair to compare him favorably to J Be K ( who I'm still a little dubious of though he ran well yesterday ).

Zaftig is a nice horse and the Mother Goose is threatening to be a corker.

pgiaco 06-08-2008 09:03 PM

Having been with Gary for as long as I have I can say he is NOT a cheater, no ifs, ands or buts.

ateamstupid 06-08-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
That race is still a head scratcher. How does a horse that's usually 10-1 or higher get suspiciously bet down to 4-1 and then win going away under what looked like a hand ride. And some of you guys think Dutrow is a cheater?

You aren't serious, are you? The 1-2 favorite had a career-high Beyer of 71, while Sciacca's horse ran a 69 in his last race, and you're insinuating that funny money made him 4-1?

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i pointed out that this statement would not be loved around here, even if it was somewhere else i still dont think that statement is legit

It is an unpopular comment because it implies some sort of chicanery when the truth is it is just flat out wrong. He was the 5:1 second choice ML.

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
Having been with Gary for as long as I have I can say he is NOT a cheater, no ifs, ands or buts.


I saw Gary cozying up to Bobby Flay yesterday. I told Bobby what he really needs is an Italian trainer.









Nick Zito.

pgiaco 06-08-2008 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I saw Gary cozying up to Bobby Flay yesterday. I told Bobby what he really needs is an Italian trainer.









Nick Zito.

Bobby would never get a negative food review from Gary. That has to count for something.

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
Bobby would never get a negative food review from Gary. That has to count for something.


I don't know if I see Gary as a haute cuisine kind of guy.

KirisClown 06-08-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
Most Impressive Horse today at belmont ?


hockey2315 06-08-2008 09:19 PM

I think you got this thread mixed up with the least impressive one.

jcs11204 06-08-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I think you got this thread mixed up with the least impressive one.

i was shocked with how good pays to dream ran again.... i was against him..
i rated at least 5 horses in that race higher then him, very impressed with the ny bred.

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 09:25 PM

Pays to Dream has turned into a very good horse.

His performance in the Saranac at Saratoga last summer was exceptional all things considered.

pgiaco 06-08-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't know if I see Gary as a haute cuisine kind of guy.

Gary's an "any cuisine" type of guy. Don't get me started on desserts. Speaking of Pays to Dream does anyone know what happened to him yesterday?

hockey2315 06-08-2008 09:29 PM

I really can't believe he was 11-1. I played him and Strike a Deal pretty hard. I was thinking - with a horse like Pays to Dream - does the morning line end up determining how people read his last performance? If he's 4-1 on the ml instead of 8-1 does he still go off at 11-1?

ateamstupid 06-08-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I really can't believe he was 11-1. I played him and Strike a Deal pretty hard. I was thinking - with a horse like Pays to Dream - does the morning line end up determining how people read his last performance? If he's 4-1 on the ml instead of 8-1 does he still go off at 11-1?

I was thinking about that today as well. I figured he'd be 6-1 at the highest. I was as suspicious of the Dixie as anyone, but still thought that 11-1 was ridiculous.

KirisClown 06-08-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I think you got this thread mixed up with the least impressive one.

To me he was very impressive, he's improved enormously in the last 6-7 months...

ateamstupid 06-08-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Desert Key got away with a very easy first quarter. He might be a very nice horse, he wasn't awesome yesterday, but he has a little way to go before he it is really fair to compare him favorably to J Be K ( who I'm still a little dubious of though he ran well yesterday ).

Zaftig is a nice horse and the Mother Goose is threatening to be a corker.

Desert Key did indeed get away with a soft quarter, but I still was impressed with how easily he disposed of Accredit, who also was on that modest quarter.

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Desert Key did indeed get away with a soft quarter, but I still was impressed with how easily he disposed of Accredit, who also was on that modest quarter.


Accredit, despite my mistaken opinion this winter, is not much horse to say the least.

parsixfarms 06-08-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Zaftig is a nice horse and the Mother Goose is threatening to be a corker.

Do you think she'd be up to the Mother Goose, if Proud Spell and the Godolphin filly Music Note show up there? In the rather modest Nassau County, Zaftig looked dead on the turn, but the race fell apart in front of her and she went on to win. And my take from the Acorn was more a negative on Indian Blessing (and the other two fillies that didn't show up) than a positive on Zaftig.

jcs11204 06-08-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Accredit, despite my mistaken opinion this winter, is not much horse to say the least.

no he's not, but it is kiran and he was in good form, and desert just ran away from him.


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