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Quiet Chris 05-29-2008 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSC
"I feel that he will do it," Dutrow said. "I feel that it's a foregone conclusion. I've seen the horses he's been with; I've seen our horse. I expect him to win this race."

One horse Dutrow appears to be less afraid of is Casino Drive. After the Preakness, Dutrow said that it's a cold exacta, Big Brown-Casino Drive. Wednesday, he advised bettors to use other horses underneath.

"This Japanese horse, he's got so much to prove," he said. "I don't know if he's on top of his game. I'm getting different reports from people. I would not depend on that horse to be second."

Love him or hate him, probably more with the latter...I like how Dutrow speaks his mind. Is Casino Drive the 'Super' wiseguy pick for the Belmont? Even if he wins which I doubt if Big Brown runs his race, he's still got to be considered a wiseguy's pick. You have the Prado angle, you have the Jazil/RTR angle, you have the Japanese angle....anyone got a few more angles to throw out?
A wiseguy pick? Do you know what that means?

CSC 05-29-2008 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
A wiseguy pick? Do you know what that means?
Yes.

Scurlogue Champ 05-29-2008 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Belmont ride on Hard Spun was a comical Fucl< up.

Gomez could have had a clear and uncontested lead through very moderate fraction - instead he opted to strangle the whole way, in a play to keep Curlin bottled up inside.

I disagree that he was trying to lose the race - obviously. However, it was painfully obvious that he put the bullseye on odds-on favorite Curlin - and was race riding him .. keeping him inside of horses where he doesn't want to be..and getting first run when it's time to sprint home.

It was a great strategy at taking Curlin out of his comfort zone - but Hard Spun is basically an allowance horse when he can't make the lead - and a Grade 1 type stake horse when he can.
I reckon Hard Spun would have beaten Kip Deville's ass in the BC Mile if he had the chance.

No allowance horse in that one

CSC 05-29-2008 09:08 PM
On the subject of Kip Deville he had a bit quirky year last year. Off to a great start, I remember Dutrow rushing him back into a dirt race from a turf race when the horse went off form in the summer. I thought Dutrow may have ruined him but he recovered in time for the Woodbine Mile and then the BC Mile to cap off a great year. He may have been lucky with this one, he's a very nice horse who looks poised to have another big year.

hockey2315 05-29-2008 09:08 PM
Would've loved to see HS on the turf.

jaripeo 05-29-2008 09:26 PM
Love him or hate him, probably more with the latter...I like how Dutrow speaks his mind. Is Casino Drive the 'Super' wiseguy pick for the Belmont? Even if he wins which I doubt if Big Brown runs his race, he's still got to be considered a wiseguy's pick. You have the Prado angle, you have the Jazil/RTR angle, you have the Japanese angle....anyone got a few more angles to throw out?[/quote]

Peru angle: The jockeys from Peru (Bejarano, Garcia and Prado) their are just in a hot momentum. Alan García is in 3th place of wining races (20) in Belmont Parks. (Coa has 25), but in winning money he´s in top with US$ 1'286,865.
Prado knows very well the "Bel track" and his is a Giantkiller.
So BB is not safe.

CSC 05-29-2008 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaripeo
Love him or hate him, probably more with the latter...I like how Dutrow speaks his mind. Is Casino Drive the 'Super' wiseguy pick for the Belmont? Even if he wins which I doubt if Big Brown runs his race, he's still got to be considered a wiseguy's pick. You have the Prado angle, you have the Jazil/RTR angle, you have the Japanese angle....anyone got a few more angles to throw out?
Peru angle: The jockeys from Peru (Bejarano, Garcia and Prado) their are just in a hot momentum. Alan García is in 3th place of wining races (20) in Belmont Parks. (Coa has 25), but in winning money he´s in top with US$ 1'286,865.
Prado knows very well the "Bel track" and his is a Giantkiller.
So BB is not safe.
[/quote]

OTFL or LOTF

I never get these right. :)

Danzig 05-30-2008 06:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSC
On the subject of Kip Deville he had a bit quirky year last year. Off to a great start, I remember Dutrow rushing him back into a dirt race from a turf race when the horse went off form in the summer. I thought Dutrow may have ruined him but he recovered in time for the Woodbine Mile and then the BC Mile to cap off a great year. He may have been lucky with this one, he's a very nice horse who looks poised to have another big year.
shame that a three race plan sounds like a 'big year'.

NoLuvForPletch 05-30-2008 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jaripeo
Love him or hate him, probably more with the latter...I like how Dutrow speaks his mind. Is Casino Drive the 'Super' wiseguy pick for the Belmont? Even if he wins which I doubt if Big Brown runs his race, he's still got to be considered a wiseguy's pick. You have the Prado angle, you have the Jazil/RTR angle, you have the Japanese angle....anyone got a few more angles to throw out?
Peru angle: The jockeys from Peru (Bejarano, Garcia and Prado) their are just in a hot momentum. Alan García is in 3th place of wining races (20) in Belmont Parks. (Coa has 25), but in winning money he´s in top with US$ 1'286,865.
Prado knows very well the "Bel track" and his is a Giantkiller.
So BB is not safe.
[/quote]

My guess is that the only way BB will lose, will be to get caught late. I would think, based on his derby finish that the most likely horse to run him down would be DOC. Now, by no means am I saying DOC is the best horse, but neither was Sarava or Birdstone. If things get funny up front, and I think CD will be close up as well, the spoiler will be DOC. I wouldn't be shocked to see him closer to 7 or 8-1 than the 10-1 he currently sits at.

The Bid 05-30-2008 09:21 AM
Denis of Cork has a very good chance to win, and would be a very solid bet if he were in someone elses barn

CSC 05-30-2008 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig
shame that a three race plan sounds like a 'big year'.
True, that's what we have come to. Curlin also...I guess that beats not seeing them at all. A long as they show up in the big events.

johnny pinwheel 05-30-2008 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...Hard Spun walks the shedrow faster than they went in the Belmont last year...
yeah go-go is a good rider. but sometimes i question his rides. last years belmont was one of them. i'll admit i bet hardspun. but come on they were walking and he held that horse back. the horses advantage is his tactical speed. and why did the trainer change to begin with. Larry jones gets all these praises, but i don't know . pino was good with that horse.

deltagulf 05-30-2008 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Anybody insinuating that Prado would stiff the ride on Casino Drive to try to beat Big Brown (or alternatively, to let Big Brown win) is really off base.


He isn't Jerry Bailey.

aren't they here to win can't see prado doing anything funny. with the

world watching to see if b.b. can win.

hi_im_god 05-30-2008 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jaripeo
Love him or hate him, probably more with the latter...I like how Dutrow speaks his mind. Is Casino Drive the 'Super' wiseguy pick for the Belmont? Even if he wins which I doubt if Big Brown runs his race, he's still got to be considered a wiseguy's pick. You have the Prado angle, you have the Jazil/RTR angle, you have the Japanese angle....anyone got a few more angles to throw out?
Peru angle: The jockeys from Peru (Bejarano, Garcia and Prado) their are just in a hot momentum. Alan García is in 3th place of wining races (20) in Belmont Parks. (Coa has 25), but in winning money he´s in top with US$ 1'286,865.
Prado knows very well the "Bel track" and his is a Giantkiller.
So BB is not safe.
[/quote]

wtf?

when did you start the berlitz course?

muy bueno on el englisho.

jaripeo 05-31-2008 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_im_god
Peru angle: The jockeys from Peru (Bejarano, Garcia and Prado) their are just in a hot momentum. Alan García is in 3th place of wining races (20) in Belmont Parks. (Coa has 25), but in winning money he´s in top with US$ 1'286,865.
Prado knows very well the "Bel track" and his is a Giantkiller.
So BB is not safe.
wtf?

when did you start the berlitz course?

muy bueno on el englisho.[/quote]

¡ Monkey talk !


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