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Cannon Shell 02-25-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
This is very tricky because we must weigh TC races heavily, but after that how much weight. Obviously the BC... beating older horses... and then are we counting sprinters. So I stuck with the longer horses. And then the tough part about one or two great races and no more but good progeny, it all gets in the way. The order at the top I like, but after that move em around.

Spectacular Bid
Point Given
Affirmed
Sunday Silence
Skip Away
Tiznow
Smarty Jones
Alysheba
Real Quiet
Silver Charm
Thunder Gulch
Easy Goer
Unbridled
AP Indy
Alydar
Holy Bull
Curlin
Funny Cide
Hansel
Afleet Alex

pound away...

You forgot Citation and Man O War

pgardn 02-25-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Past 20 years, Pgardn.

Ok so I went 30...

OOps.

Excuse me for being old... and unable to read.

Cajungator26 02-25-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Ok so I went 30...

OOps.

Excuse me for being old... and unable to read.

LMFAO :D

I probably would have spent all night adding horses if it were the past 30 years. :eek:

pgardn 02-25-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You forgot Citation and Man O War

So I like the year 1977 -2007. Got into this in the 70's.

But for God's sake I was not around for WWI thanks alot.

pgardn 02-25-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
LMFAO :D

I probably would have spent all night adding horses if it were the past 30 years. :eek:

Have you been alive for 30 years...?
The 70's were loaded. So I just happened upon 1977...
If earlier I would have been in real trouble.
What time is it?

Cajungator26 02-25-2008 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Have you been alive for 30 years...?

Not quite. Easy Goer was the horse who got me into racing (I was almost 9.) Still, I didn't have to see The Bid in person to know that he was a great horse... thank heavens for video. :cool:

pgardn 02-25-2008 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Not quite. Easy Goer was the horse who got me into racing (I was almost 9.) Still, I didn't have to see The Bid in person to know that he was a great horse... thank heavens for video. :cool:

Put that video down and just watch Secretariat.
You dont need to see anymore than that.
That is the only good thing about being as old as I am.

Cannon Shell 02-25-2008 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Not quite. Easy Goer was the horse who got me into racing (I was almost 9.) Still, I didn't have to see The Bid in person to know that he was a great horse... thank heavens for video. :cool:

That depresses me.

Cajungator26 02-25-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That depresses me.

I'm knocking on 30s' door... that depresses ME. :(

Cannon Shell 02-25-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm knocking on 30s' door... that depresses ME. :(

30's arent so bad. 40's has been a little rough...

Coach Pants 02-25-2008 11:57 PM

If you are weighing TC races then how can you leave out Monarchos? I can't, and I couldn't stand the horse.

Indian Charlie 02-26-2008 12:31 AM

i'm surprised nobody mentioned awesome again. i know he might not have accomplished as much as a 3yo as touch gold, but c'mon.

dinard was a monster before getting hurt. his win over best pal and apollo was a great race.

did anyone list tiznow? not many horses debut as a 3yo and win HOY that same year.

fupeg, when on his game, would beat most of the names i've seen on this list. well, at least a lot of them, if not most.

indian charlie never got to prove how good he really was, but i feel he's definitely among the best on any of these lists. he kicked the crap out of some nice horses butt's in his limited time racing, including real quiet, artax and old trieste.

unbridled on his day was pretty damn nice.

king glorious was pretty awesome.

King Glorious 02-26-2008 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Dinard didn't beat Olympio in the Santa Anita Derby, cuz Olympio wasn't in that race. Dinard did beat Olympio as a 3yo by a mere nose in the since defunct Los Feliz, a restricted one mile stakes run early in the SA winter meet.

Dinard bested an off the bench Best Pal twice leading up to the Derby (in two slowly rated races), but his season was cut short by injury. He returned the following winter at SA to get lit up by Olympio in the Malibu (by 9 lengths or so) and followed that up with a drubbing at the hands of Best Pal (in career form at the time) in the Strub Stakes.

Both Dinard and Olympio never ran again after the Strub. Best Pal ran for about 10 more years.

You are correct about the SA Derby. However, you are incorrect about the Los Feliz. In that race, Dinard, in his second career race, dusted Olympio by about five under a hand ride. It was Olympio that came back to beat Dinard by a nose in the San Vicente (1:21 1/5). Dinard then returned to win the San Rafael by a nose over Apollo, also beating Best Pal and Mane Minister, the 2-3 finishers in the Kentucky Derby. After that, Dinard won the SA Derby, again beating Best Pal and Mane Minister (Mane Minister was third in all three TC races) as well as San Felipe winner Sea Cadet and Scan, who went on to win two grade ones later in that year.

Dinard was not the same horse after his injury and if you want to hold his losses afterwards against him, that's fine. But it seems like you are making an effort to take away what he did do and in the winter of 1991, I don't think there was a better 3yo and Dinard was the favorite for the Kentucky Derby.

RolloTomasi 02-26-2008 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
But it seems like you are making an effort to take away what he did do and in the winter of 1991, I don't think there was a better 3yo and Dinard was the favorite for the Kentucky Derby.

Hansel was much sharper in his final two preps for the Derby than Dinard was. Of course, Hansel was decidedly flat in the Derby off those performances.

Considering the 3 gut busting stretch runs Dinard had to uncork in his final 3 preps (all resulting in close finishes...and probably the injury that forced him to the bench) its hard to say that the Derby was at his mercy, either.

Best Pal ran his SA preps like a short horse rounding into form (sharp middle moves with an even finish). I wouldn't necessarily take his sharp second in the Derby as proof that Dinard would have been right there had he held together.

Bigsmc 02-26-2008 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
30's arent so bad. 40's has been a little rough...

Right on the money...

TheSpyder 02-26-2008 04:24 AM

When you get to your 50's , the 30-40's all seems like easy street. Enjoy it while you can.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
30's arent so bad. 40's has been a little rough...


SundayStar 02-26-2008 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
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24 others that weren't nearly as good.


miraja2 02-26-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Ok so I went 30...

OOps.

Excuse me for being old... and unable to read.

So instead of naming the top 25 in the last 20 years, you named the top 20 in the last 30 years.
That makes Hansel's inclusion on your list even more strange.

miraja2 02-26-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
i'm surprised nobody mentioned awesome again. i know he might not have accomplished as much as a 3yo as touch gold, but c'mon.
did anyone list tiznow? not many horses debut as a 3yo and win HOY that same year.
unbridled on his day was pretty damn nice.

Awesome Again didn't win a single G1 as a 3yo, and won only one graded stakes race (the Jim Dandy). He was much better at 4.
I agree on Tiznow and Unbridled. They were both on my list.

SniperSB23 02-26-2008 08:57 AM

Smarty Jones first 10 furlongs in the Belmont were fantastic. His last two furlongs have to be the most overrated in the history of the sport. The only reason he "showed so much heart" was cause Birdstone was running so damn slow. Imagine if you had a horse coming at the end just with solid closing fractions of 25.00 instead of 26.42. You then would have had that horse making up an extra ten lengths on Smarty in the stretch and it would have looked like they ran by him while he was standing still. Would anyone be talking about his heart then? I don't want to take anything away from the first 10 furlongs he ran in that race but this idea that he showed so much heart in the final two furlongs is nothing more than an optical illusion created by how slow Birdstone was also going.


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