No one can go through the process of becoming a doctor naturally. It is unnatural for the human body and mind to have to go through this. People who get into these kinds of professions enjoy punishing themselves. My boyfriend works 60+ hours a week, and my dad works up to 80 hours a week sometimes. You trade your life to do this... No one is going to go through this unless they absolutely love it, and have good compensation for their dedication, pain, and suffering.

That's why I laugh when people say that they enjoyed college. College is not enjoyable for the pre-med student. We don't eat and don't sleep. We do it because we want it so bad. We do want to help people, that is our main goal...but there is no use in doing this for 12 years if you aren't compensated for it. Then, we would just go be nurses or PAs or physical therapists or something along those lines instead of having to go through this...

You can't eliminate the stress because there aren't enough doctors to go around, and it takes a very special individual to become a doctor. Most are brillant and are willing to work 10x harder than most people. There aren't enough people with the qualities necessary to be one, and people certainly shouldn't be allowed to go to medical school if they don't have these qualities. That would be the only way to get more doctors out on the market, would be to allow unqualified individuals to get the degree.

I walk around like a damn zombie most of the time, can't ride my horses at all (haven't seen mine in over a month) and med school will be even worse... I have traded my horses for this.... I have traded my life for this.

I think the profession is getting the wrong end of this deal.

Girl,it's not working.These other countries have roughly the same or more doctors,and all except JAPAN have more nurses/1000 people.We spend about double what these countries do for healthcare/person.It's not due mainly to malpractice suits,or defensive medicine(maybe 9% of it is.)It's not due to people having to be on waiting lists to have surgeries(in the other countries.)It's due to being charged too much to pay for fancy cars,homes,boats,and bullshit for doctors and insurance executives.We are spending more and getting the same care,or worse.We have the highest infant mortality of any of these countries.What you don't have in these other countries are people losing every penny they ever had to pay for medical bills.None of the people in these countries have to file for bankruptcy/be foreclosed on because of their med insurance stopped paying for services after a couple months.

Country -doctors/1000 people

Australia 2.47

Canada 2.14

France 3.37

Germany 3.37

Japan 1.98

Sweden 3.28

UK 2.30

USA 2.56

We spend about 15%(or more) of our gdp on medical,and these other countries spend 8-11% on it. "The US currently (2007) has the most expensive health care of any OECD country and also has the highest percentage of costs paid privately.

Many economist point out the fact that the large majority of health care cost come from prescription drugs. More than 90% of prescription drug research on earth is done in the United States where patents are protected much more carefully and the intrusion of generics who simply copy another companies product with little of their own Research and Development is minimized. In effect, the United States subsidizes the advances in medicine for the rest of the world."

All you people that want to continue to treat healthcare like it's a luxury(while other countries treat it like it's a necessity) are simply selfish.All these doctors that want it to be a luxury...They are cancers to this country.Simply cancers sucking the country dry of blood.Capitalism works best when luxuries are involved.It works very badly when necessities are involved.Cars,houses,clothing,televisions,restaura nts,traveling, etc........There are plenty of things to involve capitalism.When you do it with people's health,it doesn't work.The rest of the world knows it.We are ignorant about healthcare.

Yeah what's the use? She's already cured her gag reflex.

I do too.This one will spend more time talking to her stockbroker than talking to patients.If science classes aren't a breeze,then you aren't gunna make it.If you really wanted to do medicine,you'd be counting the days until med school started.Then,you could spend more time on the human body,and less time on subjects not directly involved with medicine.

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People have those? :confused:

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What volunteer work have you done for hospitals or in the medical profession? You must have done alot for you to be talking down to me about it.

Also, why don't you go become a doctor? You pull the all-nighters, do all the volunteer work, take all of the tests for 12 years, and then have 300,000 dollars in medical school bills left to pay. We'll see if you still feel the same way after you become one. Or you be the patient that has private health insurance, but can't the get heart transplant that you so desparately need because all those ahead of you that you paid for have universal health insurance.

Also, your statistics are off for those other countries. The demographics are different for the USA, so you have to take that doctor/patient ratio with a grain of salt. The USA has more degenerative disease cases than any of the other countries that you mentioned.

Canada's health care system isn't that great. You here about it all of the time.

Universal health care=socialism/communism

And this conversation just made me realize that I can't possibly vote for the Dems. It would hurt my family to do so. I have to stick to my party. I'll vote for the crazy war-hungry idiot.

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Yes. You know, if you have a throat culture done, they stick the cotton swab into the back of your throat, and it makes you gag. I actually hate when they do that...:(

Wait, you were kidding. That went over my head.

It should have been sucks and swallows....haha.

Nothing at UNC Chapel Hill is a breeze, and many doctors get Bs in Organic Chemisty and Calculus. So, I laughed when you used the word science courses at a college like this and breeze in the same sentence. Oh, and if I applied to med school tomorrow, my GPA is high enough to get in, but it has hardly been a breeze. Being a doctor is never a sure thing, no matter how smart or dedicated you are. It is that hard. The general population must be unaware of that.

You live in a fantasy world with these sorts of things. Counting the days before med school starts? I have known quite a few doctors that took time off after their BS before going back to school to do what they do. My dad is one of them, and he is great at what he does.

Oh boy.

Whew!!!

there are plenty of socialist countries
I suggest the socialist in this country
move

The profession is not getting the wrong of the deal. It is what it is. I don't sugar coat anything. Many doctors have told me what I was about to get myself into. It is not a happy-go-lucky job. You work all of the time, and don't have time to do much else. Many people have tried to talk me out of it for this reason. There are few jobs that are more difficult. You also have to always worry about screwing someone elses life up = STRESS!!!! But, when you consider that you can help someone else out or save a life at the end of the day...then, it is all worth it.