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philcski 01-29-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Cliff's Edge is by the same sire - but has a MUCH inferior female family.

However, he was also MUCH more horse than CV.

You sure about that?

To this point in their career they have very similar credentials. Cliff's Edge didn't run a real fast race at 2 either despite two graded stakes wins.

I stand by my $10k stud fee assessment on Court Vision.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-29-2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
You sure about that?

To this point in their career they have very similar credentials. Cliff's Edge didn't run a real fast race at 2 either despite two graded stakes wins.

You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.


It's all about consistancy....and Phil's just trying to keep all of his posts in this thread of equal inaccuracy.

philcski 01-29-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

If the Beyers were that high I stand corrected, I remembered them both being below 90.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's all about consistancy....and Phil's just trying to keep all of his posts in this thread of equal inaccuracy.

I'm trying hard.

But my point remains the same: Court Vision would be a $10k sire if he retired today.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Based off that alone - I think it's fair to say Haskin couldn't handicap his way out of a paper bag.

i can see byks eyes bugging out...lol

Cajungator26 01-29-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

He was also the morning line favorite for the Derby. Didn't he lose a shoe or two in the Derby as well? :eek:

He still ran better than my pick (Master David) who is STILL trying to finish that race.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-29-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
i can see byks eyes bugging out...lol

He doesn't have Court Vision #1 I hope....

Haskin writes well anyway.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
He was also the morning line favorite for the Derby. Didn't he lose a shoe or two in the Derby as well? :eek:

He still ran better than my pick (Master David) who is STILL trying to finish that race.

He's not only still trying to finish THAT race.....I think he's still trying to finish a $35K claimer at Delta.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-29-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
If the Beyers were that high I stand corrected, I remembered them both being below 90.

His 101 Beyer in the Iroquios was the highest ever earned in the history of that race.

Harlan's Holiday's 99 is 2nd. Exploit's 98 is 3rd.

www.drf.com/row/pps/thecliffsedge.pdf

philcski 01-29-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
His 101 Beyer in the Iroquios was the highest ever earned in the history of that race.

Harlan's Holiday's 99 is 2nd. Exploit's 98 is 3rd.

www.drf.com/row/pps/thecliffsedge.pdf

I know that there's absolutely zero correlation but interesting that two of the highest ML favorites in the history of the Derby topped the list.

The Bid 01-29-2008 03:39 PM

I could be wrong but I believe Master David was sold to South American interests for 35k. May have been Puerto Rico, I dont recall. Whatever it was its a far cry from lexington.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-29-2008 03:43 PM

One of his old owners is a windchime salesman.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2008 03:44 PM

i think i like this horse abit sounds like COURT FOLLY..

The Bid 01-29-2008 03:53 PM

Who sells windchimes my grandmas birthday is next month

Cajungator26 01-29-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He's not only still trying to finish THAT race.....I think he's still trying to finish a $35K claimer at Delta.

Horrible... but true.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
One of his old owners is a windchime salesman.


And he owes me $20.

The Bid 01-29-2008 03:57 PM

Oracle owned a piece?

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2008 04:21 PM

no.....hes the reason i like court folly........beat songster and killed his pick 4ticket.....lol...had to be there....

Indian Charlie 01-29-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
But my point remains the same: Court Vision would be a $10k sire if he retired today.

When he retires his fee will be around 1k.

Cajungator26 01-29-2008 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
When he retires his fee will be around 1k.

1k? Nah, I agree with Phil here.


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