See my other post.
Live and free.
And it was fun.

My dad lost money God bless him.

You see, you are still carrying on a one-sided argument. You are making statements like "we do foot the bill" and "Honu is not aware of this." Excuse me?

Honu wrote this earlier in the thread: "I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport...". So what is she not aware of? She went on to add, "... but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it ." I think that is correct. There wouldn't be much other racing, but there would probably still be a Triple Crown. I don't think Honu ever suggested that the sport would be anything like it is today without the bettors.

I don't think Honu ever stated that she would still have a job if betting disappeared from the sport. But you are suggesting she did say that.

I'm not taking sides in this. You are both guilty of personal attacks and putting words in the mouth of the other during this thread.

--Dunbar

In all ways.

This is why I believe that everyone that works within the industry is in it together.

Far be for me to jump into the middle of a perfectly good pissing match....but if you take a re-look at post 6 of this thread it does seem highly likely that KG was referring to the CHRB... and not the horsemen

I can assure you that Nick Zito thinks about this. As for others? I don't know for sure....but I know that Nick does.

Merry Christmas FFACE

what is the excuse for Idiot Proof getting beat by Barbeque Eddie? I don't think its the surface because he beat Barbeque Eddie on the same surface in the Ancient Title.

Agreed...Idiot Proof is a paper tiger.

There is no doubt that Idiot Proof isn't the same horse on the synthetics that he is on the dirt and that horses like In Summation who busted out on the dirt and had to go the turf are now moving up big time cause of the synthetic surfaces. You aren't going to tell me a horse that just ran 2nd in the BC Sprint as a 3yo should be losing to the likes of In Summation and Barbeque Eddie on a surface that is a dirt replacement, are you?

i don't think Proof was 100% cranked here, the race set up extremely well for In Summation. Idiot Proof has won a graded stakes over a synethic, I think, it was at Hollywood

Santa Anita, the Ancient Title over Greg's Gold and the immortal BBQ Eddie. I'm not saying the horse can't run on synthetics at all. All I'm saying is the gap between him and In Summation and BBQ is nothing on the cushion and would be open lengths on the dirt.

Idiot Proof is over rated. He has two wins on synthetic and 3 on dirt.
I just don't see where he should be rated as some kind of dirt monster brought low by the surface. Maybe he isn't as good on synthetic as dirt, so what?

In Summation is more of a bust on turf, not dirt. His turf record is 6 starts, 1 win, 3 places. His dirt record is 9 starts, 4 wins, 1 place. His synthetic record is 4 starts, 3 wins, 1 place. He is actually shown to be quite versatile on any surface.

The BC sprint is a toss in my mind, and not indicative of much. Midnite Lute has also confirmed that.

Of course he does he bets! So let me get this right Zito is saddling Sun King for a 10f grade one that he knows isn't his best distance and he is concerned that the bettors are being well represented by his training methods.. What a guy.. Or better yet maybe this is one of he dicussions with LaPenta..Bob War Pass is really ready to go I think the bettors are right making him a 3/5 favorite..

You know I admire and respect Zito but I think the horses best interest and his owners best interest have to out weigh the gamblers.

I don't know if it was that he wasn't cranked up. He probably just didn't come out of the BC Sprint very well. When you run on a sloppy, sealed track like that, there is probably only a 50% chance at best that you will come out of the race without some type of minor injury. When you run your horse in the slop, you are basically playing russian roulette.

Midnight Lute is another horse who probably did not come out of the race 100%. He didn't look like the same horse in the Cigar Mile. His BC sprint win was certainly no fluke. That was not the first time he ran a race like that. He ran just as huge in the Forego.

I'm telling you, when you run in the slop you are very lucky if you come out of the race in one piece.

They did consider it. The Cusion Track at Hollywood Park drains beautifully. It can rain an inch and you can't even tell that it rained. The track looks perfect. They put in a very similar drainage system at Santa Anita. The problem is that they used a slightly different type of composition for the surface and that is what has caused the problems. They used a different type of sand and some of the other ingredients were slightly different.

They obviously did not do proper testing or they would have realized that the composition they planned to install does not drain properly.

for some reason they used more sand, and it clogged up the drainage system.
pretty dumb that they weren't more careful.