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my miss storm cat 10-17-2007 03:31 PM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle322428.ece

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Don't mean to sound horrible........ but you are a week behind times. That article was published seven days ago :p

my miss storm cat 10-17-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Don't mean to sound horrible........ but you are a week behind times. That article was published seven days ago :p

Yeah but i hadn't seen the pics. :D

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Yeah but i hadn't seen the pics. :D

What are you like? :D

I'm going to propose a ban on all Fallon pics on this forum! :D

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 04:33 PM

Just to say that Fallon's estranged wife, Julie was found guilty of assult in court today.

She punched and kicked another woman while in a pub.

my miss storm cat 11-08-2007 12:22 AM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2826825.ece

SniperSB23 11-08-2007 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Stupid is as stupid does.

NoChanceToDance 11-08-2007 05:50 AM

The link wouldn't work, but i'm guessing it was about the texts that Fallon sent and recieved on mobile phones, which he shouldn't have even had.

Jockeys are now meant to register their phones with the jockey club. There were a number of phones found that belonged to Fallon that he didn't register.

He has admitted to texting in the weighing room, which is against the rules.

I'm starting to think that he is just a very stupid, but talented man.

It looks certain that some sort of punishment will be handed out, but what sort of punishment that will be is anybody's guess.

Fallon maintains the fact that he doesn't know Rodgers, even though other jockeys have said that they have seen Fallon having in depth conversations with him.

my miss storm cat 12-07-2007 08:30 PM

"Sometimes there IS God."

~ Truman Capote

NoChanceToDance 12-08-2007 06:21 AM

Don't count your chickens.

It's now been revealed that Fallon actually has a drugs ban shadowing him (again).

Apparently Fallon failed a drugs test at Deauville sometime in August and they are now awaiting the B sample (which takes a long time in France for some reason).

If the B sample comes back positive, Fallon could expect at least an 18 month ban.

Both Fallon and Coolmore are supposedly well aware of this. A few people have noticed that Coolmore haven't actually been as supposrtive in some of their statements yesterday as they could have been.

I'm not saying the B sample will come back positive, but the reports are saying that he definitely failed the first test when riding in France earlier this year.

NoChanceToDance 12-08-2007 09:27 AM

Well, the story has now been confirmed.

From RP........

Failed drug test means new controversy for Fallon


by Nick Robson



KIEREN FALLON became embroiled in fresh controversy overa failed drugs test - less than 24 hours after his race-fixing trial collapsed at the Old Bailey.

The 42-year-old tested positive for a banned substance after riding Myboycharlie in the Group 1 Prix Morny at Deauville on August 19.

The six-time champion rider now faces an anxious wait for the results of the B sample from laboratories before his fate is confirmed.

Fallon's solicitor Christopher Stewart-Moore said: "I can confirm that the story is true but it is a matter we are dealing with together with (French racing authority) France Galop and it is something we are not able to comment on.

"I am not in receipt of the actual B-sample results.

"The positive test came after he rode Myboycharlie in the Prix Morny at Deauville on August 19."

Fallon has previously served a six-month suspension imposed by France Galop for testing positive for a metabolite of a prohibited substance in June 2006. He was suspended from December 7.

As the Irish Turf Club, under which he is licensed, have an agreement with other racing jurisdictions to reciprocate bans of this nature, he was also unable to ride in Ireland.

In a similar incident, jump jockey Dean Gallagher was banned for 18 months when he failed a second drugs test in 2002.

Coolmore have stood by their man through the arduous court case at the Old Bailey but the news will come as an added blow to Fallon's employers.

"We are aware that the B sample has not yet confirmed the test," said a spokesman.

Paul Struthers, spokesman for the British Horseracing Authority, added: "It's difficult for us to comment on it as it has occurred under the jurisdiction of another country."


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If this B sample does turn out to be positive, Fallon is probably one of the most stupid men in the sport. He would have known he had the other court case hanging over him. He would have known he would have been found out, if in fact he did take a banned substance, as he had been caught before (in France!)

Yes, he was probably under stress, but that doesn't give a professional of his stature any excuse.

I hope for his sake the B sample comes out negative, because he will have the book thrown at him if it comes back positive.

If i were John Magnier or any of the other trainers who had stood by him over the last few months, i'd be very unhappy about this.

I like Fallon, he is a class jockey, but i am rapidly admiration for him.

brockguy 12-08-2007 03:37 PM

He's an idiot for his actions in france. once is forgivable but (probably) the same offence twice is just stupid..

They'll make a good film of his life some day..

brockguy 12-10-2007 04:37 PM

a few tidnits from today. The daily mail reports that Coolmore are about to sack Fallon while the Examiner reports that there was the presence of pure cocaine in Fallons urine sample which is impossible and there are suggestions that his sample was tampered..

NoChanceToDance 12-10-2007 04:57 PM

Other reports today have suggested that both Aidan and The Coolmore team are going to stand by him and they knew he had an addiction when they took him on :confused:

brockguy 12-10-2007 04:59 PM

i think Aidan O'Brien is probably the nicest man on earth. maybe even nicer than me. his words about Fallon just sounded very sincere. but yeah, it will be very interesting to see what happens.. he might just get a year ban..

NoChanceToDance 12-10-2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
i think Aidan O'Brien is probably the nicest man on earth. maybe even nicer than me. his words about Fallon just sounded very sincere. but yeah, it will be very interesting to see what happens.. he might just get a year ban..

I cannot imagine Aidan losing his temper with anyone, not even his worst enemy (if he has one). I'm not always sure if he says what he is thinking though. I'm damn sure he didn't want to run Dylan in America OR Hong Kong, but he never said anything against the owners.

There is never an excuse with Aidan, which is why i like him. The way he says things. He manages to hide the truth without telling a lie.

I'm not sure what will happen with Fallon. If I'm honest, I'm beginning to lose all trust in him. Every person deserves a chance, but he's had more than his fair share of those in the past ten years. There will undoubtably be an excuse for the failed drugs test, but I'm just not sure if I can believe a word he says any more.

He said he had no idea who Miles Rodgers was before the court case, and yet it transpired that he knew him and his associates well. He first denied using mobiles phones in restricted areas of racecourses, but then later admited doing so.

After that first drugs ban he vowed to get himself help and to never do anything so stupid again, yet here we are again.

He's a fantastic jockey, a millionaire many times over. Why oh why does he get himself mixed up in all of this. As you said many months ago, Brock, "he is either the most unlucky or most stupid man in this sport"..... I'm beginning to think it is the later.

It's a bit like George Best all over again.

saratogabrit 12-10-2007 05:59 PM

If Coolmore want to stand by him they should tell him to move to the US-see the ban out there, ride work and then when the ban is spent ride for Tabor/Smith. Saratoga is probably the bext option. He could go there when the Oklahoma track opens in April. There would be many people there who would be rooting for him to make it back to the top-unlike here where they either will use him and then spit him out or just sit there until fouls up again.



And he'll get the support of organizations like the Racetrack Chaplaincy of America who will act as a support team-i'm afraid something it looks like he's sadly lacked here. He needs a mentor like Pat Day or Jerry Bailey.

He'll be able to go to program meetings completely unknown-even in big racing towns-unlike here...

I don't think staying in Europe is an option.

brockguy 12-10-2007 06:02 PM

one of fallons "fixed" races

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CjFbTRkCC_o

NoChanceToDance 12-11-2007 09:31 AM

Coolmore might not stand by Fallon afterall

From RP......

Coolmore unable to provide assurances over Fallon's future with O'Brien


by Rodney Masters


THE Coolmore operation fell short of giving a future commitment to Kieren Fallon on Monday night in a statement issued as its former retained stable jockey awaited the outcome of counter analysis of the B sample after his positive test for cocaine at Deauville in the summer.

While sympathising with Fallon's ordeal in the Old Bailey race-fixing trial, at which he was acquitted of all charges last week, the statement sanctioned by Coolmore boss John Magnier made a brief reference to the alleged drugs episode, noting that the issue was “a personal one for Kieren”.

The full statement to the Racing Post on Monday night read: “This has been an absolutely terrible time for Kieren.

“He has been subjected to a trial, which could have cost him his liberty; a trial which he clearly should never have been subjected to.

“He lost his right to earn a living in Britain for more than 18 months, and now finds himself threatened with a suspension relating to an incident at Deauville in August.

“The issue with France Galop is a personal one for Kieren and therefore inappropriate for us to comment on.”

Earlier, when Coolmore spokesman Richard Henry was asked if Fallon faced the sack, he replied that as the former champion did not have a retainer for this year, the question was “irrelevant”.

Should the B sample return positive, Fallon faces the prospect of a further 18 months on the sidelines for the offence, and by the time he is free to reapply for a licence he would be 44.

Asked whether Coolmore would use Fallon again at the end of that period of suspension, Henry said: “Why don't you ask me again then?
“Apart from speculation in the media, who says it will be 18 months?”

Varying reports were circulating on Monday regarding the B sample, some suggesting it had returned a positive test.

The findings of the A sample may already have worked to cool relations between the Coolmore team and Fallon, with Henry emphasising that nobody associated with Coolmore “would condone the use of cocaine”.

Henry resolutely quashed speculation that Johnny Murtagh was about to be offered the job as stable jockey.

At the same time, he emphasised that for the foreseeable future the best available jockeys would be used on a day-to-day basis at the star-studded stable, and that selection procedure would be governed by the judgement of trainer Aidan O'Brien.

“There is no truth whatsoever in speculation that Johnny Murtagh is about to be appointed as retained jockey,” said Henry. “I can assure you that no appointment of a stable jockey is about to be made.”

He added: “The plan is to use the best riders available, and the trainer will decide which jockey is best suited to a particular horse.

“That's the way we have operated in recent times, and it is a systemthat has worked well for us.

“Sometimes we have runners in three or four countries on the same day, and using the best available jockey has been the policy. We will continue operating along similar lines in the foreseeable future. Who knows what willhappen in the longer term?”

my miss storm cat 12-11-2007 09:37 AM

Poor Kieren.


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