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my miss storm cat 10-07-2007 02:04 AM

Saddex / Soldier of Fortune / Dylan

Come home safe everyone.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 09:45 AM

Dylan wins, Youmzain second......... a fantastic result for me!

Authorized stuffed............ YES!


Could be a stewards enquiry................ hope not.

ArlJim78 10-07-2007 09:48 AM

the winner was all over the track and looks to have bothered a couple of other runners.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 09:48 AM

Looks like Dylan and Kieren could be in a bit of trouble.

Youmzain might end up winning this yet.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
the winner was all over the track and looks to have bothered a couple of other runners.

In England that wouldn't be a problem, because he hasn't affected the final result. In France, however if you touch another horse (whether the other horse has a chance at the time or not...... you're in trouble).

I'm just happy that i tipped up Youmzain and that Authorized got stuffed.

Bigsmc 10-07-2007 10:08 AM

Longest inquiry ever....

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 10:09 AM

The French rules really annoy me. The course that Dylan took has not affected the result in any way at all. The horses he slightly knocked were all beaten at the time.

He hasn't affected the result, but he is likely to lose the race.

Pathetic rules. The best horse on the day has won, and it looks like he will denied the victory!

Well done to Youmzain who ran a cracker to finish 2nd, i always thought he could run well today.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 10:21 AM

Looks like he has been allowed to keep the race.


Good on the French Stewards.

my miss storm cat 10-07-2007 10:29 AM

Cheers to Dylan. :)

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Cheers to Dylan. :)

Did you watch it?

So glad they didn't change the result. Although i like Youmzain, i would have been sick if he got the race.

my miss storm cat 10-07-2007 10:36 AM

Yes and yes.

Thought I'd have a panic attack.

Didn't think Dylan could get it done here and thought it set up for a longshot but i'm happy to be proven wrong.

Oh and a big congrats to Benbaun for his first G1!!!!! (... and for winning away from The Curragh).

Poor Moss.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Yes and yes.

Thought I'd have a panic attack.

Didn't think Dylan could get it done here and thought it set up for a longshot but i'm happy to be proven wrong.

Oh and a big congrats to Benbaun for his first G1!!!!! (... and for winning away from The Curragh).

Poor Moss.

Well, we were very close when we said there could be a big shock. I'm not sure if i'm more happy with Dylan and Youmzain or becuase Authorized finished nearly last (i'm cruel, i know).

Good luck to Darley, who have spent something like £15million on what looks to be a slow, soft ground loving stallion. Darley will be breeding 3mile hurdle winners in a couple of years :D

I couldn't see Moss during his race...... the camera angles are crap for the sprint over there.

my miss storm cat 10-07-2007 01:50 PM

Mossie did well! :)



BAUN SUPREMACY IN ABBAYE

Benbaun has made the Curragh his home-from-home but he could not have picked a better place to collect a rare 'away' success than by spearheading a British-dominated Prix de l'Abbaye at Longchamp.

Six times victorious at the Irish track, it has been over three years since he won anywhere else and he has given trainer Mark Wallace plenty of anxious moments.

A predilection for fast ground had been one of the potential stumbling blocks for Benbaun (13-2) but Wallace was happy after taking a look at the track.

There was not much to worry about once the five-furlong dash started and Pat Smullen got first run on Kingsgate Native to power home by two lengths.

Last year's winner Desert Lord was the same distance away in third, with Moss Vale and 2003 hero Patavellian rolling back the years for a British-trained clean sweep of the first five places.

Newmarket-based Irishman Wallace said: "We've looked after him and haven't run him in every race.

"We were worried about the ground but we walked the track and it wasn't too soft, so we thought we'd take our chance.

"He burst (a blood vessel) at Royal Ascot, so we were worried it might happen again.

"The vets have done a great job as he's just had niggly problems all the way through.

"I've been training four and a half years, this is my first Group One, so it's a dream come true.

"He's definitely going to Hong Kong in December - if they invite him and I think they might! Then we might go to Australia. He's got very few miles on the clock, so we will try and come back next year."

John Best's Kingsgate Native, who broke the mould by winning the Nunthorpe Stakes as a juvenile, proved the effort was no fluke.

His rider Jimmy Quinn reported: "The winner went away and was always holding me.

"He handled the ground OK but on good ground he is even better.

"The placings might have been different with another 12 months on his back."

brockguy 10-07-2007 03:40 PM

Im delighted for Fallon, O'Brien and Coolmore for winning the Arc on such a good horse like Dylan. It was a cracking race with Youmzain proving us believers right - 80-1 was some price (would have been better if he won!). Dont really know what happened to Authorized. I thought he was in a strange position so far back (draw probably forced his hand), but seeing that Youmzain, Saddex, Gateway all came flying late, you would have thought that he would have used his acceleration to good effect. The ground looked a little quicker than good to soft. Was that too quick for him? I dont know, but its not a great way to leave the racing world.

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Im delighted for Fallon, O'Brien and Coolmore for winning the Arc on such a good horse like Dylan. It was a cracking race with Youmzain proving us believers right - 80-1 was some price (would have been better if he won!). Dont really know what happened to Authorized. I thought he was in a strange position so far back (draw probably forced his hand), but seeing that Youmzain, Saddex, Gateway all came flying late, you would have thought that he would have used his acceleration to good effect. The ground looked a little quicker than good to soft. Was that too quick for him? I dont know, but its not a great way to leave the racing world.

I backed Youmzain for a place, and Dylan for the win. I got 7/1 about Dylan (which was stupid) and just under 12/1 about Youmzain finishing in the three!

As long at he (Youmzain) gets a fast pace, he is a proper Gr1 horse and shouldn't have been anywhere near that sort of price today. I thought 33's was big enough!

I've been saying for a long time that Authorized is just a soft ground horse, and in my opinion he proved that today. As you mentioned, all the principles came from well off the pace. There was no reason Authorized couldn't. I don't think he is quick enough to cope with anything other than soft ground. For a 2yo to win over a mile in heavy shows you how much stamina he has.

brockguy 10-07-2007 03:54 PM

under french rules though, i cant believe dylan wasnt thrown out..

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
under french rules though, i cant believe dylan wasnt thrown out..

True. It's a mixed bag with the French stewards, sometimes they are gone, sometimes not.

However, me being cynical, i do think he would have been thrown out if a French horse was second. The fact that it was a Channon horse that was second made it more likely Dylan would keep it. Channon and the Longchamp stewards don't get on, do they!

brockguy 10-07-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
True. It's a mixed bag with the French stewards, sometimes they are gone, sometimes not.

However, me being cynical, i do think he would have been thrown out if a French horse was second. The fact that it was a Channon horse that was second made it more likely Dylan would keep it. Channon and the Longchamp stewards don't get on, do they!

exactly as i said on the thread in the main section.. and methinks if murtagh was on board dylan, pasqualier may have been a bit more furious..

the strange thing was that usually in france, if you interfere with one horse, you get thrown. Dylan interfered with 3! and although he had his whip in his right hand, he didnt drop it to try and correct his mount which the rules state he should. any other race in france, he would have gone..

from a personal view im delighted for all of coolmore, but on a financial level, im gutted. it would have made it my best weekend ever. I doubt many people could say they backed 100-1 and 80-1 winners in G1s in consecutive days..

NoChanceToDance 10-07-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
exactly as i said on the thread in the main section.. and methinks if murtagh was on board dylan, pasqualier may have been a bit more furious..

the strange thing was that usually in france, if you interfere with one horse, you get thrown. Dylan interfered with 3! and although he had his whip in his right hand, he didnt drop it to try and correct his mount which the rules state he should. any other race in france, he would have gone..

from a personal view im delighted for all of coolmore, but on a financial level, im gutted. it would have made it my best weekend ever. I doubt many people could say they backed 100-1 and 80-1 winners in G1s in consecutive days..

I'm pretty sure it would have been different if the second and thrid place finishers had finished the other way around.

Channon was delighted with Youmzain as he thought there were thre or four that would beat him, so maybe he wasn't as tough as he could have been. He and the French stewards don't get along after the Yasdood incident.

Racing is like that, which is a shame in many cases, but today the best horse won.

I do think our rules are the best. As long as the final result isn't affected, the result should stand. Like it did today.

brockguy 10-07-2007 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
I do think our rules are the best. As long as the final result isn't affected, the result should stand. Like it did today.

I agree 100%..


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