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Danzig 08-02-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
You obviously don't obsess much about pedigree or this wouldn't be a point of argument. Your approach is pretty naive. You're the one being obnoxious by trying to take facts that people who know what they're talking about understand and thinking that because you don't get it, it must be wrong. Lawyer Ron's dam isn't the old grey nag but she's not Toussaud either. Deal with it. People looking at stallions consider this in how well bred the stallion is and his tail female line is pedestrian compared to others in the market like Bernardini, Giant's Causeway, Empire Maker. What's so hard to understand?

i said he's no bernardini. i also said he's no working class horse either. my apologies for being obnoxious. i was never aware before that i rubbed you the wrong way, i certainly don't remember you being condescending to me before, i apologize for that as well, along with my naivete and my not getting it. i'll keep all that in mind the next time i try to present my point of view, altho apparently my opinions aren't very well thought out....i hope you have a nice day, and that next time we are in agreement, so i don't get a dressing down for a post or two.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-02-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
he's no bernardini, but he's no john henry either.

All I said was that he wasn't a "blue-blood."

Not trying to give you a hard time.....but his pedigree is really average.

ArlJim78 08-02-2007 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
All I said was that he wasn't a "blue-blood."

Not trying to give you a hard time.....but his pedigree is really average.

which to me makes him more appealing.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-02-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
which to me makes him more appealing.

He's certainly proven to outrun his pedigree anyway. Here are the accomplishments of his dams.

1st dam- Donation (as mentioned, just an 11K yearling, winless in four starts)

2nd dam- Reddy Change (Seemingly durable Lousianna Bred sprinter who raced 57 times. Struggled mightily in route races. Going 20-1-1-2 in dirt routes and 4-0-0-0 in turf routes)

3rd dam- Coin Changer (went 1-for-11 and earned $4,036)

4th dam- Little Mortgage (never raced)

5th dam- Behavior (went 1-for-19 and made less than 5K)


As you can see....thats a pretty ugly tail female line from a racing standpoint going those five generations back.

John Henry's 3rd dam was four times stakes placed, and his 4th dam won the very important Matron Stakes as a two-year-old.

I'm not sure Lawyer Ron's pedigree really matters much anymore though, he's proven himself a very good horse, and he's proven he can vastly outrun his pedigree. I have doubts he'll be an attractive stallion prospect however....but hey, who knows.

Danzig 08-02-2007 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's certainly proven to outrun his pedigree anyway. Here are the accomplishments of his dams.

1st dam- Donation (as mentioned, just an 11K yearling, winless in four starts)

2nd dam- Reddy Change (Seemingly durable Lousianna Bred sprinter who raced 57 times. Struggled mightily in route races. Going 20-1-1-2 in dirt routes and 4-0-0-0 in turf routes)

3rd dam- Coin Changer (went 1-for-11 and earned $4,036)

4th dam- Little Mortgage (never raced)

5th dam- Behavior (went 1-for-19 and made less than 5K)


As you can see....thats a pretty ugly tail female line from a racing standpoint going those five generations back.

John Henry's 3rd dam was four times stakes placed, and his 4th dam won the very important Matron Stakes as a two-year-old.

I'm not sure Lawyer Ron's pedigree really matters much anymore though, he's proven himself a very good horse, and he's proven he can vastly outrun his pedigree. I have doubts he'll be an attractive stallion prospect however....but hey, who knows.

i don't see him doing much post-race career, due to him going to stonewall. i don't think they're in the position to help him--it takes quite a lot to 'make' a stallion, and i think him going there will really hinder him. also, a small fish in the big pond of kentucky.


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