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hoovesupsideyourhead 06-02-2007 08:31 PM

to his credit he has burned the most win pool money in the last 5 years...:D

pdrift1 06-02-2007 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't agree. He has barely run a step in quite some time.

It is time to retire him....and at the very least to stop shipping him all around the country.

it may be time. but i believe dr reed will run diagnostics on him first. don't you agree that to see him place last was a surprise also. i will have to wait and see what comes of this. i think if they find nothing then he should be retired, cause he is better then this type of showing . with this outcome i'm not sure what to think:confused:

blackthroatedwind 06-02-2007 08:41 PM

I'm not at all surprised he ran last. He is simply no longer competitive.

Look, he's had a terrific career, and run many excellent races despite some curious handling ( the inane insistance that he was a turf horse has wasted more than a few races in his career ). However, he's no longer remotely competitive in halfway decent races. Plus, shipping him around the country in a desperate attempt to squeeze some more money out of him seems pretty unfair.

NTamm1215 06-02-2007 08:43 PM

The last place finish surprised me since I thought there were at least two or three horses he could beat. Time's definitely caught up to him. It'll be nice to see him go to the farm or maybe get a gig as a lead-pony at Churchill or something.

As for me, I'm still sore from Perfect Drift's 2004 Whitney.

NT

10 pnt move up 06-02-2007 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm not at all surprised he ran last. He is simply no longer competitive.

Look, he's had a terrific career, and run many excellent races despite some curious handling ( the inane insistance that he was a turf horse has wasted more than a few races in his career ). However, he's no longer remotely competitive in halfway decent races. Plus, shipping him around the country in a desperate attempt to squeeze some more money out of him seems pretty unfair.

On paper he looked in the lower half of the field, last maybe a surprise but not much.

pdrift1 06-02-2007 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm not at all surprised he ran last. He is simply no longer competitive.

Look, he's had a terrific career, and run many excellent races despite some curious handling ( the inane insistance that he was a turf horse has wasted more than a few races in his career ). However, he's no longer remotely competitive in halfway decent races. Plus, shipping him around the country in a desperate attempt to squeeze some more money out of him seems pretty unfair.

i will be curious to see if something shows up otherwise it may be time to retire

pdrift1 06-02-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
On paper he looked in the lower half of the field, last maybe a surprise but not much.

i mean that just isn't even the same drift from last year at all and to see him last against a few of those horses is very strange

blackthroatedwind 06-02-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
i will be curious to see if something shows up otherwise it may be time to retire

I highly doubt any of the problems they have claimed after his poor efforts have been true. It's BS. He is too slow for the races he is running in.

Frankly, if every time he runs poorly he exits the race with a problem you should really wonder about his handling. Enough.

GPK 06-02-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't agree. He has barely run a step in quite some time.

It is time to retire him....and at the very least to stop shipping him all around the country.



Be careful Andy...you are making way too much sense here...

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-02-2007 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I highly doubt any of the problems they have claimed after his poor efforts have been true. It's BS. He is too slow for the races he is running in.

Frankly, if every time he runs poorly he exits the race with a problem you should really wonder about his handling. Enough.

and funny cide gets a pass..lol agreed more a spotting problem

pdrift1 06-02-2007 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I highly doubt any of the problems they have claimed after his poor efforts have been true. It's BS. He is too slow for the races he is running in.

Frankly, if every time he runs poorly he exits the race with a problem you should really wonder about his handling. Enough.

thats where you are completly wrong i was there when they scoped him after the bcc and heard it right from the vets mouth . so its not BS

philcski 06-02-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
i will be curious to see if something shows up otherwise it may be time to retire

Pdrift I think we all love your namesake and even if something shows up, it's time. He showed no interest today or at Keeneland and this is a gutsy horse. No shame in that, he's had a tremendous career. Had a few more head bobs gone his way he'd be on his way to the hall of fame.

pdrift1 06-02-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Pdrift I think we all love your namesake and even if something shows up, it's time. He showed no interest today or at Keeneland and this is a gutsy horse. No shame in that, he's had a tremendous career. Had a few more head bobs gone his way he'd be on his way to the hall of fame.

no i understand that . i said it may be time . but to say that they are making excuses when i heard it firsthand is just not true .

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-02-2007 08:59 PM

sorry i call it plodder...he is a million room also ran..and has been for a wile ..he did make a few bucks along the way but..his sire may have been called mediocrity...

miraja2 06-02-2007 08:59 PM

Why is this horse so controversial? I just don't get it.
At ages 3 and 4 he was a very good horse. He won six graded stakes in those two years.
At age 5 and 6 he began to decline considerably. Although he still managed some good performances, (particularly the '05 BCC) and was consistently in the money he (not surprisingly) wasn't the same horse he was at ages 3 and 4. That is perfectly natural.
At age 7 and now at age 8 he has regressed further. He isn't the consistent G1/G2-caliber horse he once was.
Would ANYBODY disagree with any of the things I said there? If not, why are there so many arguments about this horse? I am not trying to be a smart-ass.....I really don't get it.

pdrift1 06-02-2007 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Why is this horse so controversial? I just don't get it.
At ages 3 and 4 he was a very good horse. He won six graded stakes in those two years.
At age 5 and 6 he began to decline considerably. Although he still managed some good performances, (particularly the '05 BCC) and was consistently in the money he (not surprisingly) wasn't the same horse he was at ages 3 and 4. That is perfectly natural.
At age 7 and now at age 8 he has regressed further. He isn't the consistent G1/G2-caliber horse he once was.
Would ANYBODY disagree with any of the things I said there? If not, why are there so many arguments about this horse? I am not trying to be a smart-ass.....I really don't get it.

i would agree

philcski 06-02-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
Why is this horse so controversial? I just don't get it.
At ages 3 and 4 he was a very good horse. He won six graded stakes in those two years.
At age 5 and 6 he began to decline considerably. Although he still managed some good performances, (particularly the '05 BCC) and was consistently in the money he (not surprisingly) wasn't the same horse he was at ages 3 and 4. That is perfectly natural.
At age 7 and now at age 8 he has regressed further. He isn't the consistent G1/G2-caliber horse he once was.
Would ANYBODY disagree with any of the things I said there? If not, why are there so many arguments about this horse? I am not trying to be a smart-ass.....I really don't get it.

I wouldn't.

Cajungator26 06-04-2007 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
The horse can no longer support Murray Johnson, retire him before he gets hurt.

Agreed. He's done his fair share... it's only fair to the horse to retire him and let him get started onto something else.

Buffymommy 06-04-2007 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Agreed. He's done his fair share... it's only fair to the horse to retire him and let him get started onto something else.

Just in case any of his connections are reading this...

I would give him a wonderful home. :) Lots and lots of treaties. I can give references...


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