mortimer, considering you will never know as much as I do about anything, your discussion of Cavs history with me is pretty much insipid. sit silently and listen to the master.

Hes hands down the worst coach in the league.

Leaves no time on the clock to foul or get the ball back if they miss. They run down the last 14 seconds with Lebron at the top of the key taking a shot into a triple team. They did a hell of a job drawing that one up, that used to be my favorite shot on the playground.

They could have hired Van Gundy but I dont think they thought he would "jive" with the young, hip, Lebron. Instead they hire Brown who is a complete buffoon. Really miss Lenny Wilkins

I'm not the typical person on this board mortimer. YOu have no ability to deal with me. None. Can I paint this any more clearly than that???

Listen "witness"....and listen well.

The only guy from that team is the guy that basicly didn't play for 3 years....Z "the Bionic Footman" Ilg.

And James didn't change anything that first year...they were playing just as bad until they made the Boston trade.



The next year they got AndyV. and Gooden.They alos got Sasha P. and Hughes.


Now you tell me that Ricky Davis and the other formidable dregs they had in that 15-67 year stay with James and that they would even be a .500 team now.










I think you're the one who leaves a few facts out.








You're about as good a "witness" as was Simpsons neighbors cleaning lady.

I'm not the typical person on this board mortimer. YOu have no ability to deal with me. None. Can I paint this any more clearly than that???
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Next to them you're a stapler.

False and false. REad my other post on the subject...they, miss, Hughes gets the rebound, they put up another shot...put up a tip in, Detroit gets the rebound and they foul and there is still close to 2 seconds. If Detroit rebounds James' miss, there is plenty of time to get another possession.

the reason they didn't have any time is because they kept getting offensive rebounds. I'm not sure that is a bad thing or is it??? Silly , silly people.

Ricky Davis should be playing hoops at a prison somewhere

Tell that to the Bionic Stapler.

The play with Lebron at the top of the key was drawn up like they had the lead, or it was a tie. You dont close out a game like that, no outs at all. Any fool knows you dont run down a clock and hope for a mircale

Say whatever you want. LeBron James is the person most responsible for the turnaround of the franchise...not Anderson Verajao, Sasha Pavlovic, Eric Snow, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes. LeBron James is the catalyst for the improvement of the franchise, end of story. You can keep slobbering about the subject and think something else is driving it, but that would just be slobbering as I said.

The RULES have changed since the aforementioned. You had to play man up in the Magic/Bird era. Riley got wise and played a semizone causing a technical if one was not close enough to his man. This was very hard to interpret, went thru some changes so now we have a game where a team CAN PLAY ZONE. They just cant stay in the lane 3 seconds. This has changed the way the game is played compared to the 80's a great deal.

We really must understand this (Hubie Brown). So what I believe we have seen is 3 point shooters become more valuable to crack a zone apart. And defense requires more mobile big men. A big shot blocker cannot just stand in the lane on defense anymore. imo, a player like Jason Kapono is in the league for one reason. And there are some very poor basketball talented yet mobile big men, close to my heart here would be Fransisco Elson.

Tell me how much time is left in the game if Detroit immediately rebounds the LeBron miss and they foul?? I honestly don't know, but I would estimate about 6 seconds. I could be wrong, but Hughes grabbed the rebound, shot, Verajao tipped missed they rebounded and there were still near 2 seconds left.

6 seconds is more than enough time to get a game tying 3 pointer off if they hit both free throws.

Say whatever you want. LeBron James is the person most responsible for the turnaround of the franchise...not Anderson Verajao, Sasha Pavlovic, Eric Snow, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes. LeBron James is the catalyst for the improvement of the franchise, end of story. You can keep slobbering about the subject and think something else is driving it, but that would just be slobbering as I said.
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And I certainly did.



You neatly wanted to contend James alone was the reason for the turn around....failing to mention almost the whole doggoned TEAM turned over.


Most responsible ...yes.

Soley....no.......as you wanted to indicate in your prior statement after accusing someone else of disregarding fact.






But that's what "witnesses" like to do.













Mos' honobur James tun whor team lound......arr by serf!













SOMETING LONG HEAH!!

I will now remove myself and let the typed facts speak for themselves.







The "master" has neatly painted himself into the proverbial frog corner.

































GOOD!!!

If the play wasnt drawn up as a last possession play probably about 8 seconds. Lebron dribbled around at the top of the key before driving into a triple team and missing. Youre not going to get a foul called in that situation, so why force a bad shot. They should have taken a decent shot, and got the board, fouled, etc. My arguement is that the play was drawn up as a final possession play like it was a tie. Sure you can get lucky and get a tip, or get a second shot by Larry Hughes who cant hit the broad side of a barn, however thats not what you are looking for. In that spot they should have been trying to get an open look and had something to fall back on. Not shoot from the hip and prayed for a tip, or hughes to hit a shot he hasnt hit all year.

cant' keep up with me can you mortimer. I never once said James was "solely" responsible for the turnaround...you did. Don't put words into my mouth. I was responding to a post which stated James was overrated, I simply stated some facts as to what the team had done since James got there. If the best you can do is make stuff up that I supposedly said...you are not fit to discuss things with me. You are not up to my standard or even close. Despite your spacing. You can't keep up wiht me, and never could and never will...ever.

And I am fer DEM SHOO proud I have eaten the MainCourses lunch.





Pies for everyone!!







Fucl<in' aye!

Nice to see you giving up. You have no ability to keep up with me, and never will. REading comprehension 101. An ability you lack.

Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.

Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better
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Round eye lie!!





BIG LIAH!

I hear a flushing sound mortimer...is it













could it be....









...is it....








thud.