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blackthroatedwind 04-16-2007 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Andy, where were U today on ATRAB?


The same place I am about to be on this forum.....not on.


See the good posters here ( yourself included ) after the insanity of the Triple Crown has blown over.

Cannon Shell 04-16-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Because he was "under-trained" coming into the race---or because you think it's possible the horse isn't right?

I never get too caught up in workout times....certainly not to say they don't matter in certain situations though.

Times usually arent that signifigant unless they are extremes. I was watching SS work the other day and he broke off in a canter but was rolling in the stretch. Carl seemed very satisfied which leads me to believe that he was not really tuned up for Sat's race. A work that slow for a horse of that calibur is hardly an effort. I'd guess his pre derby work will be a little sharper. We'll see.

easy goer 04-17-2007 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It is NOT a quote from Beyer.....it is a quote from ME.

You might want to be careful with your pronoun agreement in the future, another guy was confused as well. But thanks for clearing that up, makes sense now..:)

easy goer 04-17-2007 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Times usually arent that signifigant unless they are extremes. .

This sounds rather obvious, but Im sure you didn't mean it that way.

Kasept 04-17-2007 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Andy, where were U today on ATRAB?

Andy is now moved to Wednesdays until Belmont opens...

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2007 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Times usually arent that signifigant unless they are extremes. I was watching SS work the other day and he broke off in a canter but was rolling in the stretch. Carl seemed very satisfied which leads me to believe that he was not really tuned up for Sat's race. A work that slow for a horse of that calibur is hardly an effort. I'd guess his pre derby work will be a little sharper. We'll see.

I'm sure it will be atleast a little sharper. However, wouldn't the same line of reasoning also apply in the case of Curlin?

Street Sense's four furlong work in 1:04 flat was the 38th fastest of 39 to work the distance that morning---that proceeded a five furlong 58.40 bullet work.

Curlin came into the Arkansas Derby off of a four furlong work in 50 4/5th seconds. The 45th fastest of 46 to work the distance that morning. He worked a bullet six furlongs in 1:12 flat in his prior work.

FWIW, Street Sense also had a moderate four furlong in 51 flat maintenance breeze three days before his return in the Tampa Derby.

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by easy goer
You might want to be careful with your pronoun agreement in the future, another guy was confused as well. But thanks for clearing that up, makes sense now..:)


I REALLY appreciate the grammar lessen. I mean, who knew that on a horse racing message board I could learn so many diverse things, and from someone as giving as yourself. Lord knows your contributions here are vast and widely felt. Whereas some people come to a room like this and only usurp the knowledge spread by others, you just keep giving and giving, teaching and teaching, and I for one am grateful for this opportunity to learn from you. I only hope that one day I will be able to return your gift of knowledge with some small crumb from my rucksack of life.

NTamm1215 04-17-2007 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I REALLY appreciate the grammar lessen. I mean, who knew that on a horse racing message board I could learn so many diverse things, and from someone as giving as yourself. Lord knows your contributions here are vast and widely felt. Whereas some people come to a room like this and only usurp the knowledge spread by others, you just keep giving and giving, teaching and teaching, and I for one am grateful for this opportunity to learn from you. I only hope that one day I will be able to return your gift of knowledge with some small crumb from my rucksack of life.

I subsequently brought this up and was not confused at all. Andy (Blackthroatedwind) Serling said that Beyer (Andy Beyer) felt that he got the number right. So, don't worry, I was not confused, your pronoun agreement was satisfactory.

NT

Thoroughbred Fan 04-17-2007 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I REALLY appreciate the grammar lessen. I mean, who knew that on a horse racing message board I could learn so many diverse things, and from someone as giving as yourself. Lord knows your contributions here are vast and widely felt. Whereas some people come to a room like this and only usurp the knowledge spread by others, you just keep giving and giving, teaching and teaching, and I for one am grateful for this opportunity to learn from you. I only hope that one day I will be able to return your gift of knowledge with some small crumb from my rucksack of life.

While I think your pronouns were OK, lesson is not spelled "lessen".

Main Entry: 1les·son
Pronunciation: 'le-s&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French leçon, from Late Latin lection-, lectio, from Latin, act of reading, from legere to read -- more at LEGEND
1 : a passage from sacred writings read in a service of worship
2 a : a piece of instruction b : a reading or exercise to be studied by a pupil c : a division of a course of instruction
3 a : something learned by study or experience <his years of travel had taught him valuable lessons> b : an instructive example <the lessons of history> c : REPRIMAND

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
While I think your pronouns were OK, lesson is not spelled "lessen".

Main Entry: 1les·son
Pronunciation: 'le-s&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French leçon, from Late Latin lection-, lectio, from Latin, act of reading, from legere to read -- more at LEGEND
1 : a passage from sacred writings read in a service of worship
2 a : a piece of instruction b : a reading or exercise to be studied by a pupil c : a division of a course of instruction
3 a : something learned by study or experience <his years of travel had taught him valuable lessons> b : an instructive example <the lessons of history> c : REPRIMAND


And I thank you.

Outstanding!

Thoroughbred Fan 04-17-2007 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
And I thank you.

Outstanding!

You're welcome!

ArlJim78 04-17-2007 09:03 AM

just when you think things have reached bottom, we're now being lectured on grammar and spelling. I'm in big trouble if this trend takes off.

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
just when you think things have reached bottom, we're now being lectured on grammar and spelling. I'm in big trouble if this trend takes off.


I think the spelling was tongue-in-cheek.

Thoroughbred Fan 04-17-2007 09:04 AM

I thought this was the educational thread.

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
I thought this was the educational thread.


VERY educational.

ArlJim78 04-17-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think the spelling was tongue-in-cheek.

yes it was, shouldn't have lumped the two together.

MisterB 04-17-2007 09:18 AM

Since we are in a educational mood. Can someone explain something about the top 3 year old beyer given to Flying First Class 107, in a 33K alw, and how anyone looked at this for his next start. By comparison, Teuflesberg posted a 100 Beyer number for winning the Southwest, and Hard Spun, who finished fourth, beaten three lengths at 50 cents to the dollar, received a 95, which, coincidentally, was the same number he posted when he won the LeComte by six-plus lengths a month back at Fair Grounds. Then the sudden fall off the earth effort by FFC in the Rebel.

Thoroughbred Fan 04-17-2007 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Since we are in a educational mood. Can someone explain something about the top 3 year old beyer given to Flying First Class 107, in a 33K alw, and how anyone looked at this for his next start. By comparison, Teuflesberg posted a 100 Beyer number for winning the Southwest, and Hard Spun, who finished fourth, beaten three lengths at 50 cents to the dollar, received a 95, which, coincidentally, was the same number he posted when he won the LeComte by six-plus lengths a month back at Fair Grounds. Then the sudden fall off the earth effort by FFC in the Rebel.

FFC is a sprinter. The 107 was earned sprinting. He might be a very good one if they stop trying to ruin him.

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Since we are in a educational mood. Can someone explain something about the top 3 year old beyer given to Flying First Class 107, in a 33K alw, and how anyone looked at this for his next start. By comparison, Teuflesberg posted a 100 Beyer number for winning the Southwest, and Hard Spun, who finished fourth, beaten three lengths at 50 cents to the dollar, received a 95, which, coincidentally, was the same number he posted when he won the LeComte by six-plus lengths a month back at Fair Grounds. Then the sudden fall off the earth effort by FFC in the Rebel.



I just got my first true inkling of what it must feel like for A Rod when some amateurish pitcher throws him a big fat fastball right over the center of the plate.

MisterB 04-17-2007 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
FFC is a sprinter. The 107 was earned sprinting. He might be a very good one if they stop trying to ruin him.


I kinda figured that part out, but how does someone take that big effort, and make sence out of it next time.


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