Originally Posted by outofthebox

War Emblem, Monarchos, Giacomo, just a few of the Ky
Derby winners in since 2000. I wonder if any of these winners would have been on any top ten lists at this stage. Point is that there is still so much time before the Derby and horses can go either way so quickly. I enjoy reading everyones list, and just wonder how much changing will be going on in the next few weeks after the major preps. In all likely hood the winner of the Derby might not have won his final prep.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

giacomo and monarchos were at least both stakes placed at this point

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Don't forget to call in tomorrow morning on DerbyTrail Live.

You should be able to come up with a few questions for the guests.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The bottom line is you said you wouldn't bet the horse at 5000-1, which is exceedingly foolish, as anytime you can take even five times the actual chances of any horse winning it is worth it to take the bet. If nothing else you can find a way to arbitrage the bet to make money. Instead of arguing with everyone that disagrees with you, like refusing to listen to the very sound logic that tried to lead you away from the worst sucker bet of 2007 ( Marina Market ), maybe you should at least occasionally think about what the other person is saying. Hell, even I do that on occasion.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

giacomo and monarchos were at least both stakes placed at this point

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You guys are really emptying the barn at Turfway tomorrow.

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Monarchos had only won an nw1 at GP. He ran in his first stake in the Fla Derby...I know this because i ran 2nd to him with Outofthebox...

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Yea, a little ambitious. I will be at the big A with Golden Dreamer..

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That Florida Derby had already been run by now.

Originally Posted by outofthebox

come to think of it your right. Hialeah was hosting the Flamingo on April 7tj. Could that have been the last meeting Hialeah ran. 2001

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It was the last meet. I was recently perusing the lifetime pps of a horse and came across starts at Hialeah in 2001. This is only the third year that Stronach has run the Florida Derby this late.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The Florida Derby should be earlier....Of course Barbaro won with it, but I still preferred when it was earlier.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree....it was a much better race as the premier second to last prep. Stronach and his new paradigm!

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Was that the Fla. Derby that Value Plus ran second? If so I'm still bitter about it.

Originally Posted by outofthebox

War Emblem, Monarchos, Giacomo, just a few of the Ky
Derby winners in since 2000. I wonder if any of these winners would have been on any top ten lists at this stage. Point is that there is still so much time before the Derby and horses can go either way so quickly. I enjoy reading everyones list, and just wonder how much changing will be going on in the next few weeks after the major preps. In all likely hood the winner of the Derby might not have won his final prep.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I would put Funny Cide on that list with the 3 you mentioned as well, as the Wood hadn't been run yet and he had finished 5th in the Holy Bull and 3rd in the La Derby. People weren't jumping on this horse either in late March 2003.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Good point. He was around 90-1 in the first Derby futures pool.