OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TTTTTTTTTTTHHaaaaaaaattttttttttsssssssssssssss LLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!! good teams can overcome it. but it does hurt. By the way congrats on how you did the other day.

Your wrong I have a degree in Social Studies! How about you?

Congrats on your degree. I'm glad it wasn't in English.

Whats yours liberal arts with a minor in gym!

that is realllly stretching it Zig. Sane people in government? Balance? Yeah I have a better chance of meeting Santa Claus.

No matter who wins, or who dies and their VP is now Prez.. nothing will change law wise about abortion, gay rights, creationism (you really think her possibly being president would have any impact on this).

Its all up to Congress to start bills on these issues.. and they will not be started nor won or lost.

I think there are much more important issues out there than abortion (roe vs wade aint going anywhere), gay rights (hey I'm all for them, but the national gov wont be making any decisions on this... and obama supports civil unions but not gay marriage (I BELIEVE) anyway.. this will be a state by state issue), creationism (get real.. aint gonna happen).

There are too many WAY more important issues out there (#1 being our safety) to decide a candidate based of those 3 issues SCUDS.

As for your last line, you're an idiot.

Universal healthcare would be the worse possible thing that our govnt could pass. It would be so bad I dont even want to think about it.. How would we pay for it.. only way to would be to raise taxes, significantly.

I've lived in two countries with socialized medicine... both places had the worst healthcare I've ever seen. I almost died in New Zealand cause my doc's were not that good. ALL the best doc's come to the great U S of A, because of the way our healthcare is set up.

Both countries also, (Ireland and New Zealand) tax them a WAY higher % of your salary compared to the US... and one of the main reason taxes are that high is because of socialized medicine.

Now I'm not saying that changes shouldnt be made... but Universal Healthcare would be very very bad.

:tro: :tro:

I've lived in two countries with socialized medicine... both places had the worst healthcare I've ever seen. I almost died in New Zealand cause my doc's were not that good.

You're riding this one for all it's worth.

Really...we get it by now.

and who's the head of the trial lawyers against the medical companies/personnel that drove up the prices due to the ridiculous prices that medical personnel have to pay to have the insurance needed to work? ....... JOHN EDWARDS.

Well, that's not entirely accurate. On abortion in particular, Congress can't really do much of anything. Any movement on the abortion issue will have to come from the courts, and since the executive is the primary branch responsible for filling any vacancies there, the next president is actually very important.

As for Palin, it doesn't bother me at all that she has just been a mayor and the governor of Alaska. The supposed "issues" with her family don't concern me either. What worries me is that she is about as far right as you can get. What bothers me is that she thinks people can "pray away the gay," and that she believes creationism should be taught in the schools along with evolution as if they were just two different "theories," and that she is about as staunchly anti-choice as a person could be. Those are my issues with her in particular (and with the Christian Right in general) and I think people should either accept her or reject her on issues such as these (along with economic philosophies) rather than blindly voting for the Republican ticket because she seems somehow "tough" or against the ticket because she is too "inexperienced."
Now, you are certainly right in suggesting that the election of McCain-Palin isn't going to mean that kids everywhere will be subjected to the moronic "intelligent design" crap, but a potential Palin presidency would seem to continue the general anti-science, anti-gay, anti-choice positions of the Bush administration.

:tro: :tro: well said

Are we still talking about Palin? Something i stumbled across:



Are we allowed to ask questions about her tenure as mayor of Wasilla? Here's a story from the Wall Street Journal, exposing just how fiscally and operationally reckless Palin's mayorship of Wasilla was:

The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin's legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla...

"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities," Ms. Palin said Wednesday in her acceptance speech at the Republican convention. Litigation resulting from the dispute over Ms. Palin's sports-complex project is still in the courts, with the land's former owner seeking hundreds of thousands of additional dollars from the city.
When Palin took over Wasilla, the town had no long-term debt. By the time she was done, debt service had increased by 69 percent, the town had close to $19 million in long-term debt, making the debt around $3000 per capita. And the Mccain campaign is asking us - seriously - to consider her a fiscal conservative.

She is a Bush-Cheney fiscal conservative: low taxes, unprecedented new spending, utter incompetence, endemic cronyism and massive debt.

http://www.osjspm.org/major_themes.aspx

SEE #2-#6 Don't attack just Democrats. They didn't dream it up. The Catholic Church teaches it, and they teach it because Christ taught it. Get mad at him. As far as the Malpractice suits go, I'd be thrilled to have Lawyers and Insurance companies kept far away from our healthcare dollars. As far as the oil companies go, if you don't mind giving them forty cents a gallon in profit, then what can I say? It's not a free market situation. That's all I'll say.

Palin's bridge to nowhere LIES
 

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...jzf6QD932MU100

Fact Check: Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere
7 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A new ad from John McCain's presidential campaign contends his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." In fact, Palin was for the infamous bridge before she was against it

THE SPIN: Called "Original Mavericks," the ad asserts the Republican senator has fought pork-barrel spending, the drug industry and fellow Republicans, reforming Washington in the process, and credits Palin with similarly changing Alaska by taking on the oil industry, challenging her own party and ditching the bridge project that became a national symbol of wasteful spending.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton came back with fighting words. "Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere," he said.

Burton said McCain would merely carry on supporting President Bush's economic, health, education, energy and foreign policies, and that means "anything but change."

THE FACTS: Palin did abandon plans to build the nearly $400 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. But she made her decision after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor.

McCain and Palin together have told a broader story about the bridge that is misleading. She is portrayed as a crusader for the thrifty use of tax dollars who turned down an offer from Washington to build an expensive bridge of little value to the state.

"I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere," she said in her convention speech last week.

That's not what she told Alaskans when she announced a year ago that she was ordering state transportation officials to ditch the project. Her explanation then was that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to come up with the money.

"It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Palin said then.

Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge "should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done."

She vowed to defend Southeast Alaska "when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative" — something that McCain was busy doing at the time, as a fierce critic of the bridge.

Even so, she called the bridge design "grandiose" during her campaign and said something more modest might be appropriate.

Palin's reputation for standing up to entrenched interests in Alaska is genuine. Her self-description as a leader who "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress" is harder to square with the facts.

The governor has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.

ditto

:rolleyes:

Uh Oh.

Scuds is a what would Jesus say guy...?

My problem with Christianity is not with what Jesus said. My point was that Canon is trying to make Economic Justice out to be a Democratic scheme. Christ started that. He should blame it on him. That guy started it.