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clyde 07-17-2011 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 792269)
No doubt that he is having a tough time. You have to assume that is because of the injury plus the lost time. There are very few guys who lost close to 2 years that jumped right back to where they were right away. He is really just a shell of himself (shut up clyde) now. But they are paying him a lot of money, need the power in the lineup and what is their other option? They have a DH, so sizemore can't play there and they are paying him too much not to play. Bring up the slap hitter at AAA so he can hit .250 with no power?


!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

horseofcourse 07-17-2011 12:32 PM

His strengths were he hit for power, he got on base a lot and he could run down fly balls. His weaknesses were he threw like a girl, didn't make good contact. His only strength left is hitting for power. He doesn't get on base at all any more and he makes even less contact, and he is a much worse fielder. Even when he was really good fielding he was a bit overrated as his arm was horrendous. He's a minus player right now. He's simply better than Kearns, Duncan and Buck which isn't saying a whole lot.

In the end I want him to play well....he played much better his first 20 games back and the team ketp winning, what is evident as he piles up more and more at bats, he's not improving so I'm not sure how much you can blame on the injury any longer.

horseofcourse 07-17-2011 12:37 PM

I have more confidence Exhausto turns it around than Grady but it's low amount in both of them.

horseofcourse 07-17-2011 04:51 PM

I've seen Jean Gomez before, guy isn't any good. Not even better than Talbots. Huff and Exhausto in the DH Monday, it's getting ugly fast. Still in first on July 18th by pct points....that could end up being the last day!! I've been saying this for over a month. How bad are the Tiggers and White Sox that they can't put us away?? IS everyone waiting for the Twinkies??
(Grady hurt his knee again running out a double in the 1st inning, maybe Cannon has something!!! and we'll get the AAA slap hitter, more likely additional Urns.)

Cannon Shell 07-17-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 792273)
His strengths were he hit for power, he got on base a lot and he could run down fly balls. His weaknesses were he threw like a girl, didn't make good contact. His only strength left is hitting for power. He doesn't get on base at all any more and he makes even less contact, and he is a much worse fielder. Even when he was really good fielding he was a bit overrated as his arm was horrendous. He's a minus player right now. He's simply better than Kearns, Duncan and Buck which isn't saying a whole lot.

In the end I want him to play well....he played much better his first 20 games back and the team ketp winning, what is evident as he piles up more and more at bats, he's not improving so I'm not sure how much you can blame on the injury any longer.

As he piles up at bats the knee is probably getting worse. The deal with microfracture surgery is that the recovery rates are wildly different. Some guys like Penny Hardaway and Chris Webber never get better. It took Jason Kidd 2 years to get back to normal and even then his speed was diminished.

horseofcourse 07-18-2011 12:54 PM

Grady back on the DL for the 2nd time with his other knee this year. So it goes. Slap hitting AAA center fielder time for real now! He's been able to play with their two AAA pitchers the last two days so he's right at home.

slotdirt 07-18-2011 01:03 PM

The Tigers won't catch the Indians because their pitching stinks and they have a manager who insists on having a guy with a .318 OBP that led the league in strikouts last season bat leadoff.

horseofcourse 07-18-2011 03:05 PM

OH my God, David Huff 7 shutout innings. Hallucinations are widespread...Urns with an upper deck home run, AAA slap hitter with an rbi. an America's team special.

horseofcourse 07-19-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 792675)
OH my God, David Huff 7 shutout innings. Hallucinations are widespread...Urns with an upper deck home run, AAA slap hitter with an rbi. an America's team special.

And Exhausto pitches very well, goes 6 and wins and Lou Marson hit a game winning home run in game 2. It was just another day on Mars for America's team. Let me repeat that, Huff 7 shutout, Urns upper deck, AAA slap hitter rbi and 3 runs scored, Exhausto quality start, marson game winning home run. July 18th, 2011. It all happened.

Cannon Shell 07-19-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 792771)
And Exhausto pitches very well, goes 6 and wins and Lou Marson hit a game winning home run in game 2. It was just another day on Mars for America's team. Let me repeat that, Huff 7 shutout, Urns upper deck, AAA slap hitter rbi and 3 runs scored, Exhausto quality start, marson game winning home run. July 18th, 2011. It all happened.

Yeah sure..next thing you'll be saying is the Pirates are in first place!

clyde 07-22-2011 09:40 PM

Well there goes another season.

horseofcourse 07-23-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 793960)
Well there goes another season.

I think we can officially call it now. The last two games in Minny were brutal and had that "beginning of the end" feel. I think July 21st we can officially state as the last day in first place. All those bizarre things happening good on July 18th was the last gift to us Tribe fans in 2011. We will pay for that.

clyde 07-23-2011 10:49 AM

Eloquently put.

horseofcourse 07-23-2011 12:41 PM

Poor Grady had abdominal hernias trying to pull everything out of the park. The last thing I wanted was for his career to plummet like it has with two bad knees and hernia surgeries this year. I do feel bad for the guy as he really busted his butt out there until it came crumbling down. That's one thing we can't criticize him for, he did play really hard which I can appreciate.

clyde 07-23-2011 12:45 PM

Oh geez..that was highly amusing in it's obvious connection.



But you're are right, have to feel bad for him.... but not too bad.There's always the little one abused or worse by parents and the poor soul who one minute is having the time of his life with his son at a baseball game ...and in a second,he's dead.



Fucl< reality and fucl< basebally.

horseofcourse 07-23-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 794108)
Oh geez..that was highly amusing in it's obvious connection.



But you're are right, have to feel bad for him.... but not too bad.There's always the little one abused or worse by parents and the poor soul who one minute is having the time of his life with his son at a baseball game ...and in a second,he's dead.



Fucl< reality and fucl< basebally.

Very true, he can never play again and is still a millionaire several times over. Not too much to feel sorry for.

clyde 07-23-2011 12:58 PM

Really?


He's done?

horseofcourse 07-23-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 794119)
Really?


He's done?

No, just saying if he never does. He'll be back I'm sure at some point. Probably even this year.

clyde 07-23-2011 01:02 PM

Oh...and good point.


Thanks so much.

Ohio State footbally can't start soon enough for me.

horseofcourse 07-24-2011 09:40 AM

rain...picked up a half game!!!

horseofcourse 07-25-2011 09:50 PM

Crap, every once in a while they'll score multiple runs at home in the 9th inning just to tease us, back to only 1 game out. Exhausto, 3 straight quality starts. Uh-oh!!! :)

slotdirt 07-27-2011 06:07 AM

We'll see what the trade deadline yields. The Tigers are already on the high end of payroll, and I can't see them adding something substantial. Who knows where the Indian ownership's collective noggins are?

Non sequitur, but Justin Verlander threw 100 plus pitches for the 41st straight start last night. Nobody has had that kind of streak in the expansion era. He's a throwback (now that I say that, he'll come down with elbow tenderness in a week).

horseofcourse 07-27-2011 08:08 PM

I think just Verlander makes the Tiggers the favorite plus a semblence of an offense. the White Sox and Indians have more pitching than Detroit, but simply pathetic offense. I mean bad. Tribe got no hit today by the way, which tells the story of their offense!!

slotdirt 07-27-2011 08:47 PM

The Tigers aren't exactly breaking any scoring records. Losing 2/3 to the friggin White Sox hurts.

clyde 07-30-2011 09:33 PM

If this trade happens it will go down as one of the worst trades ever made in basebally history..

The swine at Prez and his puppet at GM have no idea how to handle being in a "playoff race" because they don't know that we AREN'T!!



Trade away our best prospects for a PITCHER!!...who is not exactly Sandy Koufax!


We can lose 1-0 ...we KNOW that!

horseofcourse 08-01-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 796194)
If this trade happens it will go down as one of the worst trades ever made in basebally history..

The swine at Prez and his puppet at GM have no idea how to handle being in a "playoff race" because they don't know that we AREN'T!!



Trade away our best prospects for a PITCHER!!...who is not exactly Sandy Koufax!


We can lose 1-0 ...we KNOW that!

I think clyde this is a reaction to after the 1997 season when Pedro Martinez could have been ours and we refused to include Jaret Wright in any deal because of his "potential". We all know the careers both of those had after the 1997 season. Not saying this will turn out the same nor that Jimenez is anything close to Pedro, but I understand the logic. I don't think it means crap overall as it's hard to see them winning anything, but it clearly states they are all in for 2011, 2012, and 2013....then it's over again for quite awhile. White throws a splitter and has already had middle finger problems (don't we all!!) and Pomeranz had issues in college too. It's a crap shoot with both guys. Both could be great, both could be terrible. I think it's likely one of the two will turn out good. I honestly can't praise or bash this deal. I see the logic to both sides of the debate though. (every time I leave my house for awhile all hell breaks loose in Cleveland!!)

clyde 08-01-2011 02:40 PM

Sorry..it blows.




And stay home.

horseofcourse 08-01-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 796569)
Sorry..it blows.




And stay home.

It's still a 27 year old who has had great success at the major league level who is under contract for 3 more years (which I understand begs the question of why on earth would the Rockies have any interest in dealing him??) And of course makes you wonder if this is simply Exhausto part 2 (and also the guy can't hit either and all you get is more 3-2 losses instead of 5-2 losses).

clyde 08-01-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 796592)
It's still a 27 year old who has had great success at the major league level who is under contract for 3 more years (which I understand begs the question of why on earth would the Rockies have any interest in dealing him??) And of course makes you wonder if this is simply Exhausto part 2 (and also the guy can't hit either and all you get is more 3-2 losses instead of 5-2 losses).

Now yer talkin'.

He does have Exhasuto written all over him.


Some say this is unique in that the trade was not only for this year (??),but the next 2.Like you said, as it stands....lose prettier 3-2 than 5-2.


Thank God for Babe Fucl<U in right field.Where would we be these last few games without him?

clyde 08-01-2011 03:41 PM

...c u latah,HC......don't forget to check in during the Tribe's next 10 game losing streak coming right up.....thank God for those huge playoff run trades...

slotdirt 08-01-2011 03:45 PM

I think the Indians way overpaid for Ubaldo. He makes sense financially, but the guy has basically had a single really good season, one just solid season, and the rest of his career has been pretty average (including 2011).

We'll see if he leads the Indians to the promised land.

clyde 08-01-2011 04:15 PM

I think we covered this already.


The trade sucks.

So do the Indians.

horseofcourse 08-02-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 796606)
I think the Indians way overpaid for Ubaldo. He makes sense financially, but the guy has basically had a single really good season, one just solid season, and the rest of his career has been pretty average (including 2011).

We'll see if he leads the Indians to the promised land.

I'm not sure. We won't know until 2013 if this was a good or bad trade. They traded none of their top hitting prospects (Kipnis/Chisenhall) and one of their star pitching prospects they traded pitched 2 major leage games and tore up his middle finger in his 3rd game. Pitchers are all crap shoots with their health including Jimenez. But also White and Pomeranz. I can understand the gamble they made.

clyde 08-03-2011 09:20 PM

Well thank our luckies for Fucl<U.


Why we needed a proven phwit! who is 34 with a whole 15 rbi's in 293 at bats this year---I'll never know.

I'm sure the new pitcher is going to do wonders with our 2 run offense.

Thank goodness the Tribe's braindust has thrown away the future for a playoff race " injection "....in which we are not even involved.


Maybe we can find something for Randy Moss to do.

clyde 08-05-2011 09:20 PM

Great debut by U-Boob-O.



He almost made it to 5 and a third innings.

The Tribe got him just in time as I had almost forgot about Ken Strom.

clyde 08-05-2011 09:24 PM

AND he only allowed 5 earned in an Exhausto like 108 pitches.

clyde 08-05-2011 09:31 PM

But at least his walks/hits per inning is 2.0....and an era of 9.



He's another swell addition when you think about Mr. .200, Fucl<U.

Thank our luckies Shapiro has no idea what planet he is occupying.

clyde 08-05-2011 10:38 PM

Thank goodness we don't need a closer.
















Oh.






















We do.



























My bad.

clyde 08-05-2011 11:43 PM

The Tribe is really making this division race really interesting, extending the Tigers lead to 4 games tonight by bunny quick snatching defeat from the scary jaws of victory .



Oh Mr. LaPorta-ski....it is not very wise to be arguing a call at first while the winning run on third tip toes his way to home plate.

At least they lose in a different way each game.

Interesting stuff.

horseofcourse 08-06-2011 01:48 PM

fukodome should bat leadoff. I've seen you talk about him. His OBP is over .370 the last 3 years running. It's his only skill. Why he bats 6th is a mystery. Not a great player by any means, but since you got him, at least utilize his only skill which is getting on base. Batting him 6th in front of 3 bad hitters is pretty much meaningless. He gets on base more frequently than anyone on the team except the DH. I'd actually want someone on base when Cabrera and Hafner bat, not when LaPorta and other bad players bat. A .370 OBP for 3 consecutive years is a pretty nice skill which is not prevalent on the team. use it.

I'm not gonna crucify Ubaldo until sometime during next season, which is when we'll know more about White and the progression of Pomeranz. Season's over so it really doesn't matter. I'll wait til next year though. (rockies have him cheap through 2013 or 2014 which makes me wonder why they traded him....this is the type of trade Shapiro was good at and this Antonnetti tried to do the reverse trade. Probably won't work, have to think one of the two pitchers we traded will end up really good, oh well. I am just going to hope Ubaldo does well despite his regression to his 2008 form. He wears the Cleveland laundary so I'll hope for the best.)


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