Is this the only horse left in Pletcher's barn of that crop? At this time he wasn't even trained by Pletcher either.

Andromeda's Hero was the only one who even finished in the same time zone as Alex.

oops, Scrappy T was in the Preakness, thats right.

Not trying to argue it wasnt a pitifully bad field, but to call the 2006 Belmont much better isnt really accurate. Bob & John, LOL! Claim to fame is winning a weak rendition of the Wood Memorial over a muddy surface.

I think there were 2 outstanding 3 year olds last year and I dont have to mention there names. The rest were just mediocre, but thats just my opinion.

Afleet Alex could have beaten many, many horses when he won the Preakness and Belmont. Both performances were devestatingly awesome, so to me holding the competiton against him is silly. I think we all know he would have won the Derby with a slightly better trip.

AP Arrow is turning out to be a useful horse.

If you like to start sht about Grade 1 winners,then you are an A Hole.That is simply a given.Most owners can only dream about owning one.It was one thing to talk sht about this horse before he won a Grade 1,but to keep doing it after that?.. A-Hole.I don't care if he never wins again.You are an A Hole,and that will be true about anybody else that chooses to talk sht about a Grade 1 Winner.

Here are the horses trained by Pletcher nominated to the 05 Triple Crown. He still has English Channel! A couple others are still around like Master Command and Siphon City but amazing how many flops there were.

Argento
Bandini
Coin Silver
Confederation
Desert Breeze
Dubleo
English Channel
Flower Alley
Gato Grande
Guillaume Tell
Harbor Master
Harlington
Killenaule
King Valiant
Kristali
Landslide
Look No Further
Maillol
Malheur
Master Command
Monarch Lane
More Than Somewhat
Morning Raider
Nophone
Proud Accolade
Remuneration
Siphon City
Storming
Sundrop
Tales Not Told
Unbridled Harmony
Vicarage
Wall Street
Yes Yes Yes

Jazil is not in the same league as Afleet Alex was as 3 yr olds. No one is arguing that. I am just saying give Jazil a chance to prove himself as a four year old. And honestly how can you call him overrated when no one is calling him a GREAT. We are just saying he is a decent horse.

And my horse beat him this weekend. hee hee. Yes, it was by a head, but he still finished ahead of him.

Basically this is what we are saying Jazil is. A very useful horse who will make his owners some $$$.

But tell us how you really feel...

Jazil is one of the worst classic winners I've seen in all my years watching the sport (since 1986). I would rank him down there with Commendable, Sarava and Giacomo. I don't see him winning today because he's just not that good but perhaps they've found a weak enough field for him to have a chance. It's a shame that a classic winner will end his career with no other stakes wins on his resume. He's what u call a classic fluke.

To be fair I should list some of the other trainers to show that they too had busts. Here are some of the other big ones:

Baffert
Brave Charmer
By Sunday
Cat Robber
Chips Are Down
Christian Eagle
Devil's Bay
Fusaichi Rock Star
Just My Game
One Smart Deputy
Roman Ruler
Threesixtysecurity
Tice

Shug
Defer
Minister's Joy
Sea Heather
Survivalist
Wrapped

Lukas
Big Top Cat
Cat Stalker
Consolidator
Defy The Odds
Going Wild
Ground Control
High Octane
Plunkit
Silent Bid
Tetrahedron
Thievery

McLaughlin
Angliana
Closing Argument
Jim's Smokin Pinot
Tashdeed
Tejwaal
War Front
War Plan

Zito
Andromeda's Hero
Bluff
Chief Commander
D'Court's Speed
Electric Light
Father Weist
G P's Black Knight
Indy Storm
Irish Bulldog
Last Samurai
Noble Causeway
Pinpoint
Sun King
Ultimate
(Bellamy Road was nominated under Dickinson)

Frankel
Apprentice
Chattahoochee War
Declaration
First Word
High Limit
Kingsgate Bay
Muito Melhor
Olympic
Pay Off Time
Quest To Peak
Saint Anddan
Sir Halory
Vitruvian
Whole Nine Yards
Wholly Smackles
Zap

Just out of curiousity between Barbaro, Bernardini and Discreet Cat who do you not feel is the outstanding one?

ha,ha, there was a horse named Wholly Smackles? :D
I'd say Zito put in the top performance trainer-wise on the Triple Crown nominations without having the Big Horse of the year.

A few of these raced recently:
Saint Anddan
Noble C
Angliana
Tice

I guess if anything it shows the casualties of the Triple Crown Trail and/or how little a decent win late in the 2nd year or early in the 3rd really means.

Wholly Smackles....:D

I'm just going back and looking at the title of this thread, and I had to laugh. The most overrated horse in the HISTORY of horse racing?

Maybe it will land Jazil in the Hall of Fame? ;)

that's what i said in the other thread, most in the history? that's a lot of horses to compare him to-and many got far more hype then he-who imo hasn't got any!

HA HA HA! Atswhat is the over-rated one, it's funny you call a 3 time Gr.1 winner overrated, and that plodding piece of crap wasn't!!!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!

Kristali may be my riding horse soon. Seriously. I'm not kidding.

Yes Yes Yes is a useful allowance, listed stake-type sprinter...

Is he retiring after today? If not then how would you know he's never going to win another stakes race? That seems to be a pretty bold statement. If he wins today that doesn't say a whole lot about his resume, but now we're not even giving the horse a chance after what, nine career starts?

NT

Just out of curiousity between Barbaro, Bernardini and Discreet Cat who do you not feel is the outstanding one?

I forgot about Discreet Cat. Sorry if I fail to remember a horse that runs less than the seasons change. How very bad of me :p

And why is War Front listed under horses that were busts trained by Mcglaughlin?

McLaughlin
Angliana
Closing Argument
Jim's Smokin Pinot
Tashdeed
Tejwaal
War Front
War Plan

I listed every horse they trained at the time of the Derby nominations, not just the busts.

8 minutes untill Jazil gets defeated again...
 

i have nothing against this horse, what i put on here is my opinion, and my opinion is he wont make the exacta, i also bet corinthian heavy. Good luck everyone

I will go with Too Good.

OMG you did? You bet Corinthian? Oh yeah, now that I think about it, I think you mentioned that a few times.

Wow, I'm pretty psyched. Loved this horse since he broke his maiden and was my early Derby pick but even I didn't expect him to win that impressively.

Good looking out, boss

Of course if he would win a race once in a while.....

War Front was a bust until he went to Jerkens

If you're going to come here and trumpet your Corinthian pick, how about mentioning that Jazil made the exacta...

Can't trumpet that loud can he? :D

Jazil got beat by 10. He put in his best run, ran up between leaders like a loaded gun, fired his best shot.....Corinthian ran away and hid. Cant knock someone for pegging a race right, he was spot on.

He's beautiful, and it's shocking to hear that his temperament is like that, because I've heard that Seeking the Gold is quite the "character." :D

This is the problem this horse will face all year. Jara must decide to middle move or move early to accomodate for fact he cannot consistently make up ground going shorter than 12 furlongs. not that he is a bad horse, just up against it

listen im not trumping anything, yeah he was in the exacta at 4-5 he runs second and gets beat bye 10, thats real impressive, i knock jazil because i dont think hes a good horse, i bet corinthian heavy because i liked him today, i was correct but im not bragging about anything

He picked the winner but the horse he said WASN'T NOT GOING TO BE IN THE MONEY.....

So he got beat by one of the hottest horses on last year's Derby Trail who is obviously talented. That doesn't mean Jazil stinks.

Because Jerkens didn't try to force him into being a router...

Very true. He better be able to handle the grass....

Why a ridiculous thread like this gets a 100 responses, I'll never know....Oh wait I just contributed, shame on me.