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The Bid 02-04-2007 03:06 PM
Youre mistaken

Im just giving you the facts, you do what you want with them. Im not bending your arm to answer my posts.

Cannon Shell 02-04-2007 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Actually Champ Ali, it makes a big difference how it was marketed. When you market a surface as "all weather" requiring "little or no maintenance" then in the same breath rip 4 inches of cat pissed rug,spandex, and tires off the top something doesnt jive. They have tried everything to right that surface, and they just cant do it....Know why? Because they didnt do the appropriate testing before they installed it. They didnt know what tearing 4 inches off would do, they didnt know what bad weather would do, they didnt anticipate 100 yards of frozen polyblocks being kicked back, they didnt think it would be clumping, freezing, uneven, and dangerous. They didnt think about much more than running dates when they laid that ****. They thought about full fields, increased handle, and more dates. Do you think for one second the horeses best interest was in mind, PUHLEASE. They are breaking down with a steady frequency, they are having major problems, its about time to be honest with the general public. The horsemen know there are issues, managment knows there is issues, its irresponsible of Keeneland to continue marketing this surface as all weather.
They tested the track on Keenelands training track and had no problems.

You really are spending too much of your time and energy on this crusade. I'm starting to worry about YOUR health. Maybe some yoga and breathing exercises will bring down your blood pressure.

todko 02-04-2007 04:39 PM
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Probably because it would be a waste of perfectly good ink and paper...?

As we all should know by now....the vast majority of the "powers that be", in this game, are notoriously incompetent hacks....who can't get out of there own way.
I did write to the "powers that be". And I wrote before the first horse ever raced on Poly at Turfway. Before the first fall meet that used poly. They said I was making "suppositions" that the track would have a kickback problem. Martin Collins never returned a single inquiry.

blackthroatedwind 02-04-2007 08:55 PM
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It is a forum where one can talk about racing.

Which isn't exactly what's going on here... you're just ranting and raving and, in general, standing on everyone's last nerve.

There are ways to discuss things, and then there's what you do.

I'm still totally miffed by the opinion you seem to hold (and correct me if I'm mistaken) that Turfway's dirt track was better than their Polytrack.

You've been here a couple of days, made seven posts, and are already telling long time members " There are ways to discuss things, and then there's what you do. " I'm glad to see you feel so at home here that you already feel confortable saying those things.

You're not the only one here who works in the industry, or has horses, or is entitled to their opinion about polytrack, and all in all I would say we're off to a rocky start.

It's probably just opening day jitters.

GPK 02-04-2007 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You've been here a couple of days, made seven posts, and are already telling long time members " There are ways to discuss things, and then there's what you do. " I'm glad to see you feel so at home here that you already feel confortable saying those things.

You're not the only one here who works in the industry, or has horses, or is entitled to their opinion about polytrack, and all in all I would say we're off to a rocky start.

It's probably just opening day jitters.
damn rookies...

blackthroatedwind 02-04-2007 09:04 PM
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damn rookies...
I had the same problem in prison......I had to beat up the biggest goon there before I earned the respect I so richly deserved.

GPK 02-04-2007 09:05 PM
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I had the same problem in prison......I had to beat up the biggest goon there before I earned the respect I so richly deserved.

so...the rumors about you are true then....you are a bad ass:eek:

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You've been here a couple of days, made seven posts, and are already telling long time members " There are ways to discuss things, and then there's what you do. " I'm glad to see you feel so at home here that you already feel confortable saying those things.

You're not the only one here who works in the industry, or has horses, or is entitled to their opinion about polytrack, and all in all I would say we're off to a rocky start.

It's probably just opening day jitters.
i do know bid isn't on my last nerve...

big day, superbowl and all....

paisjpq 02-04-2007 09:08 PM
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so...the rumors about you are true then....you are a bad ass:eek:
he might have been getting by on the 'never hit a guy with glasses' rule...more than his bad ass self:p

blackthroatedwind 02-04-2007 09:09 PM
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so...the rumors about you are true then....you are a bad ass:eek:

I was lifting old ladies' purses at simulcasting.

ArlJim78 02-04-2007 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Its simply not an all weather track Jim.

Im not debating what the lady from Woodbine said, I hold it in the same regard as what TWP says. The track just has a few kinks. A few kinks is an understatement.

Champ, I thought this was a forum where we could talk about racing
Its more of an all-weather track than dirt, much more.
When you say all weather and apply it to the extremes that show up in the upper mid-west, its pretty severe.

You are chosing to simply hold fast to an extreme view that all weather means that the track should have constant characteristics in ALL weather conditions. Its simply impossible. It does handle the weather better than dirt. About that there is simply no doubt.

There is not one simple answer as you are trying to imply.

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:10 PM
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I was lifting old ladies' purses at simulcasting.
you and kev should partner up--while you're lifting purses, he can distract them by lifting their skir

paisjpq 02-04-2007 09:10 PM
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I was lifting old ladies' purses at simulcasting.
that was you??? my gran tackled you but good--to aid in your capture

GPK 02-04-2007 09:10 PM
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I was lifting old ladies' purses at simulcasting.

we gotta fuel the gambling habit somehow...

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:10 PM
darn keyboard-guess the batteries need changing...:p

blackthroatedwind 02-04-2007 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by T3B
we gotta fuel the gambling habit somehow...

They were just gonna lose that money anyway.

GPK 02-04-2007 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
you and kev should partner up--while you're lifting purses, he can distract them by lifting their skir
hey now...I like my woman a little more "mature" but I aint into all that now Deb...

GPK 02-04-2007 09:14 PM
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They were just gonna lose that money anyway.

see...thats what I was saying...if we let them lose it on their own...we are just enabling them....

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by T3B
hey now...I like my woman a little more "mature" but I aint into all that now Deb...

lol
guess it depends on btw's idea of how old you have to be to be considered 'old ladies'.

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:15 PM
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see...thats what I was saying...if we let them lose it on their own...we are just enabling them....
just trying to save them from themselves eh?

GPK 02-04-2007 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
darn keyboard-guess the batteries need changing...:p

take them out of your vib...never mind:eek:

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by T3B
take them out of your vib...never mind:eek:

:eek: :eek: :eek:


lol.....

GPK 02-04-2007 09:17 PM
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just trying to save them from themselves eh?

right...you can call me alot of things...but I dont want to be labled as an enabler

The Bid 02-04-2007 09:17 PM
Jim

Thats what was promised when this surface was laid down. Its supposed to be the same ALL the time, and require no upkeep. Im implying the track isnt as advertised, any buffoon can see that. Not saying you are a buffoon, but its obvious this track is nowhere near what it was sold as.

Aqu inner is a better winter surface than TWP poly.

blackthroatedwind 02-04-2007 09:18 PM
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lol
guess it depends on btw's idea of how old you have to be to be considered 'old ladies'.

Younger than me....that's for sure.

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Younger than me....that's for sure.
how old are you if you don't mind my asking? i'll be blowing out 40 candles this year, while my husband waves a towel at the smoke detector to get the buzzing to stop.

GPK 02-04-2007 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Younger than me....that's for sure.

that would still make them "older" than me though...lol

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:21 PM
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that would still make them "older" than me though...lol
infant! lol

GPK 02-04-2007 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
infant! lol

you got less than 6 years on me old lady:p

blackthroatedwind 02-04-2007 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
how old are you if you don't mind my asking? i'll be blowing out 40 candles this year, while my husband waves a towel at the smoke detector to get the buzzing to stop.
44.

Danzig 02-04-2007 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by T3B
you got less than 6 years on me old lady:p
yeah yeah...

oh well, past my bedtime. you all take care!

ArlJim78 02-04-2007 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Jim

Thats what was promised when this surface was laid down. Its supposed to be the same ALL the time, and require no upkeep. Im implying the track isnt as advertised, any buffoon can see that. Not saying you are a buffoon, but its obvious this track is nowhere near what it was sold as.

Aqu inner is a better winter surface than TWP poly.
The AQU inner is a good surface, but it doesn't handle rain like poly though. Even with a good amount of rain on the poly you can hardly see any change.

How long are you going to keep saying how it was sold, "same all the time and no upkeep"? Maybe it was oversold, I have tried repeatedly to conceed that point. That is an issue perhaps between the manufacturer and the purchaser. It simply doesn't matter to me how it was sold. I am asking myself the question, " is it overall better than the dirt that it replaced." I think it is, I know how you feel.

The Bid 02-04-2007 09:48 PM
Youre right jim, aqu doesnt handle the rain as well. How often does it rain during winter racing though? We are takling about a track thats basically for the months of Dec-Feb

The composition of the track may not change, but the surface its self changes. It freezes, and they are constantly trying to even it out because they screwed it up taking the top 4 inches off.

todko 02-05-2007 03:18 AM
They have been "tweaking" the poly now for going on two years. If it takes nearly two years to solve a problem -- that's more than "tweaking".

Here are the lies as spelled out by Martin Collins -- the "low kickback" and "dustfree" are particularly interesting:

http://www.polytrack.com/advantages.html

They don't "harrow" it -- but they do use machinery on it routinely throughout a card to treat it. Machinery made by Cousins.

Can you imagine using that garbage "indoors"? Better bring the SCUBA gear so you can breath. Unbelievable.


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