I remember that race. I also remember Desormeaux blowing the finish line on Kotashaan in a race about 10-12 years ago in Japan. And of course, the worst instance was Shoemaker misjudging the finish line in the KY Derby while riding Gallant Man, probably costing him the win.

But the thing is, if you take all the bad decisions jockeys have made in a race over, say, the last 10 years and you make a "Top X" list, yesterday's ride probably has to be included in that list no matter how small you make X. As someone pointed out, those situations often lead to a horse incurring injury.

Frankly watching the race, I was surprised nobody clipped in there and no horses went down.

Jockeys make mistakes all the time. But not like this. For a guy who won 200+ races and $10+ million in purses last year to make that kind of move yesterday, it's utterly indefensible. It was as bad as it gets.

Could not agree more. That is exactly what I've been saying.

To say in all of "history" is hyperbole....it actually embodies the very definition of the word.

I've never once defended the ride, and I've never once said it wouldn't have made a top X list in a given time period.

But "history?"

That is using hyperbole. That's all my entire point was. If that is an "attack," so be it.

Yesterday's ride wouldn't even be on the radar screen of bad rides in the last 10 years or 10 months....he thought the hole would open up and it didn't. It happens all the time, every day.

I totally disagree. It wasn't just a matter of a hole not opening. It was a matter of Dominguez making a move that had no upside but had huge downside. It was an idiotic move. Even if the hole would have opened and he would have won, it would have still been a made.

I saw a jock give a similar ride once on Megahertz. I think it was Solis but I'm not positive. Anyway, I think it was a 6 horse field and the jock was coming from dead-last. He had a ton of horse. There was no way to lose if he went outside. But instead, the jock tried to split horses and ended up checking pretty good. He finally got room and won the race but it was still a terrible ride. He took a huge risk and came close to blowing the race. Nobody made a big deal about it because he won, but it was a really stupid move that had no upside.

Anyway, I don't think you're understanding what we are saying with regards to Dominguez' ride. The hole not opening is irrelevant. That's not why it was a bad ride. It was a bad ride because he made a move that had no upside.

I would have to say that Perry Outz's ride in the 8th race at River Downs in Aug of 1997 was the most puzzling ever.

Sometimes that hole opens up....so sometimes there is an upside. Just not on Thursday. Look at Steve's first post w/the Q&A. Dominguez made a split second judgement call based on something he saw & based on his instincts from thousands of rides. He just happenned to be wrong. So you can't say he made a move that had no upside 100% of the time, which is my point.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it...

There was no upside because he was not going to save ground. There was no advantage to going inside.

An analogy would be if you tried to get into your house by climbing through a window when the front door was unlocked. Why would you go through the window if the front door was open? It doesn't matter whether you have a mishap climbing through the window or not. If you broke the window, the move would be stupid, but even if you didn't break the window the move would still be stupid. There is no advantage to trying to climb through the window when the front door is open.

By the same token, there is no advantage to trying to split horses when you can go to the outside. He wasn't saving any ground by going inside. They had already straightened away.

Ramon said that "when they came off the turn he was sure the rail horse was going to float wide and take the other one with him and that he would have the rail to boot home." His plan was not to split horses.

So, Ramon thought he had 2 doors to choose from...not a door and a window. In hindsight, it ended up a door and a window, you are correct. But that's why hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Good analogy though. And yes, the outside was the prudent and safer move, I agree.

How about that Kentucky derby in the 50's (i think) where the jock stood up at the 1/16 or 1/8th pole and cost the horse the derby... names are excaping me considering i was born in 1983, so I wasnt exactly at the race... but I am sure BTW or Byk knows the horse/jockey.

That may have been a more costly ride...

shoemaker on gallant man

C'mon. Your really a guy just f'ing with us, right?

1957.. "The year they threw the Derby.."

No, she's not a guy.

Okay. What about kentuckyrosesinmay....dude or not?

Nope, she's a chick too. I'm female too (in case you were wondering. LOL) :D

there's pais, balletto, cajun, sightseek, genuine, pedigree ann, meras, and me...who am i missing??? i know i'm missing several, gonna be in the doghouse.

She's a female if you follow the tuck rule. :D

:eek: :eek:

looks like i'll be sharing that doghouse with pillow.


nice avatar btw, that trait would come in handy at oil changing time...

I checked her website.it's too over the top to be a real chick

honu, buffy, MMSC, Largo, antitrust, bystander, rileyoriley...off the top of my head

duh, shoulda remembered riley--she and i are both debs..

and honu, been reading her posts for years.

i will use my sinus meds as an excuse....

Balletto or kyroses?

On the phone with Al right now.....if she's a guy, she does a really really good job faking the voice and the laugh. :D

haha Shutup Brian. This is my chance to capitalize on my case of "penis envy"! :rolleyes:

gross.

Coming from you... I just dont believe that statement. :p

By the way, 24-21... :D

Balleto or I not a girl? This has got to be the most hilarious post of the new year!

add Phalaris, if I remember correctly.

--Dunbar

Dont worry kentucky... shrugg it off, grab a beer, reposition the package and ask the person next to you to pull your finger. :rolleyes:

If we didn't ride every jock who fails to follow instructions there wouldn't be many left to choose from.

*note to self....lose 40-50lbs and learn to ride horses..*:cool:

ahhh but the one you did have would listen:D

T3B if I can get him a little lighter

I hate to admit this but.....sometimes we give bad instructions.

well thats no fun, cause then we wouldn't have 10 page threads dedicated to stupid rides...but I guess we could just focus on bad instructions

Then I could autograph my own hat instead of Byk having to get Vernon Bush to sign it...:D