I strongly agree with the majority opinion here. When a horse has made a guy over $1 million, I think it is unconscionable that the guy would run the horse for a cheap claiming price. This horse has been very good to this guy. The least he can do is take care of this horse and make sure the horse has a long, healthy, and happy life.

Richi,

How much would you gather it costs to take care of a retired horse on a yearly basis?

I think the results should be posted in a new post. The original post with the picks should not be editd in any way.

It wouldn't be cheap. It would probably be about $200 a month or so. However, I'm sure you could get one of the rescue places to take the horse if you gave them a nice donation along with the horse. If a horse made me over $1 million, I could afford to make a $5,000 cash donation to a horse rescue place if they were going to take the horse.

But even if you were going to pay the $200 a month for the rest of the horse's life, I think a rich guy with a big stable that is spending $3,000 a month per horse in training, can afford to take care of a few horse for $200 each a month.

$200 a month wouldn't even cover rough board in my neck of the woods...$250 rough board (meaning the horse never comes inside) or minimum $500 month for a stall...and that wouldn't include farrier (if barefoot $40 a trim every 6 weeks) and vet visits (minimum care.. $150 for vaccinations, $35 x 2 teeth)

but you are right about the rescue places...usually a one time donation will cover the horse for life.

That means I was a little low and the number is closer to $300 a month.

Why does a horse in training cost $3,000 grand and a retired horse only $300?

Seems like a huge difference. I understand the horse in training would require more of a lot of stuff and more vet services, etc. But 10 times the cost?

When you pay your trainer $3,000 a month, that money is paying for a ton of different things. That money is paying the salaries of the trainer, assistant trainer, foreman, groom, exercise rider, hot walker, etc. That money pays for the feed, the hay, the bedding in the stall, workman's comp, etc.

If a horse is just running out in a pasture, you have practically none of those expenses.

By the way, the $3,000 a month does not cover the vet. The vet is usually an additional $600 a month or so.

I can't keep my horse @ HOME for $300 a month...and there are no labor costs when i do the work.

Kasept,
if you guys want to buy the horse, thats certainly your right. thats what is great about the claiming system in this country.
then you can do whatever you want with it(shoot it in the head for all I care).

but there are 2 things that I have a problem with.
1-the property rights thing that I mentioned in the first post.
2-"earned a retirement"-what the hell does that mean anyway?
if a horse wins x amount of dollars, then he gets to stop running?
so what about the horse in Puerto Rico that wins at a 80% rate but only has earned 200K b/c purses suck?
he has to keep running while a horse in the US that is still eligible for a n2x deserves retirement b/c he ran 2nd in the Delta Jackpot and has earnings of over 500K?
and who says a horse wants to stop running anyway?
how does winning make a horse deserving of isolation and boredom?
in case no one noticed, they took his nuts away.
what the hell is Shake You Down supposed to do now that is so much more fullfilling than racing?
you think hes going to the KY Horse Park for losers to go and have their picture taken with him?
not going to happen.



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what a freaking nightmare.

losers on here like deepthroatwhatever taking shots at dixie.
thats like steve francis telling jason kidd how to play the point.

I think Oracle or whoever said it is right, that Cole dude had to enter him in that spot in hopes of this kind of reaction.
clever move.

i now hopes this horse breaks down immediately.

as for the whole anonymous thing, very few on here truly are. but those that are, more power to you. privacy rights are real.
Ive talked to a lot of you on instant messenger and I assume plenty of you have been to my myspace page.
what you see is what you get.



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I hope YOU break down immediately.
Merry christmas.

lmao,
thats great.
wishing death upon another member of the forum.
has to be a violation of some sort.

no worries, I would not be telling the truth if I said I hope most of you live to see 2008.


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It is not about property rights or amount of money or accolades earned. It is about respect. Respect for the efforts and accomplishments that this horse certainly has earned.

Proof of you being an idiot
1. Comparing Dixie to Jason Kidd
2. Thinking Cole cares about Derbt Trail
3. Wishing harm upon a horse

Without doubt, you could with 100% certainty, be considered an idiot.

and a classless one at that

yeah,
if you can assign that kind of emotion to a freaking animal.

I respect/disrespect a horse in terms of ability when handicapping, but that does not transfer to genuine respect away from the track.

again,
I dont get how a horse that earns x amount of money is any more deserving of boredom and isolation than a horse that has only earned .5x



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I didnt suggest that Cole cares or is even aware of "Derbt Trail".

but its not unreasonable to imagine that he was hoping for someone to feel bad that SYD is running at this low of a level and, as a result, try to claim him with some publicity to follow.


and just so you know, I dont give 2 sh*ts what you consider me to be.
I dont post with the hopes that you or anyone else will appove of my words.
f*ck off dude.


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For some, maybe it's like finding the mutt in the dawg pound.

Or, the lost dog on the street.

Either one in the wrong place at the wrong time, and just seeming like a good home is in order.

I'm sure Cole's strategy of making money in the horse business has anything to do with taking advantage of sentiment and bad publicity.

Have I touched a soft spot in describing you as your words depict you? As an idiot? I guess you DO have some emotion, except as with most self-centered, racist, sexist, possibly in the closet, types it is only anger that you express.

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lmao,
yeah great psychoanalysis pal.

I tell you to f*ck off so somehow I am a racist and hate women?
did you go to school for that type of insight or did you just read dr phil's latest book?

I hate simply b/c I can(and its easier than caring).
no reason behind it other than that.
keep fishing cannon sh*t.

again,
f*ck off and die.
and b/c it confused you the first time, theres no emotion there, just my honest sentiment towards you.


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lol, no dude.
i dont drink alcohol.
just having fun with my new pal cannon shell.
never conversed with this dude in my life and suddenly he is an expert on me and who I hate.

Merry Christmas Scav.
hope all is well with you.


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and thats fine westcoast.
more power to anyone who wants to purchase him.

I just do not understand how anyone can be so sure that horse wants to be rescued from his life of racing(which is what he was born to do) so that he can be bored in a stall the rest of his life.



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Chapter 4 in the Dr. Phil guide to idiots.
"People who refuse to accept the true feelings that they have inside them often lash out in hatred and anger. Often those who are emotionally 'in the closet' are hiding sentiments that they rail against, trying to get themselves as far away from reality as possible. They will decry that which they truly are. Common signs include crude language, deviant behavior against animals, and uncommon hero worship of delusional father figures (especially those with imaginary friends)."

Sounds like you, dude.

The above posting experts (can't call them morons) know exactly how this horse feels and exactly what he would be happiest doing. BTW, horses DON'T feel happy. Just thought I'd throw that in. Should bring some astonishing replies.

It's kinda fun and interesting to see where there are two sets of rules for those posting on here. One set applies to you and I; the other to the rest of the geniuses and trolls that are knocking their heads against a wall when they are hopelessly outclassed.;) Time for them to put on a helmet.

Check out the "personal attacks" that will be coming shortly. For some strange reason they do not appear on Mr. Byk's PC. BTW, for what it's worth, this is the reason Brooklynite took a powder. Did not have much respect for our host. Personally I find Byk a "good guy". I think he blew his cool yesterday when over matched.

you know Ive always been fascinated by that whole "you hate what you fear" idea.

maybe ppl just hate what they dont like.
wow, what a concept.
thats pretty much the definition of hate.

im sure there are lots on here who hate different groups just as much as I do, but dont express that opinion b/c they fear what others might think of them.
but b/c I say what I mean and I mean what I say, Im somehow confused about what I really feel?
thats bs.

I'll let you in on something cannon shell since you are showing so much interest in what I do or do not feel this evening.

I feel very little.
I care about myself and not much else.
think what you will, but there is not much inside of me.

again,
f*ck off and die.


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Merry Christmas, Dixie. Since it's the season for giving, would you mind sending me last months MENSA Bulletin? That is, if you are through reading it. Thanks.

yeah,
will always be 2 sets of rules on these internet forums.
one for the ppl like you and I,
and one set for popular majority who just kiss each others' asses.

let them do what they will and call me what they choose.
hell, I guess I deserve it since Im not fortunate enough to be an equine mind reader like them.



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Anyone who ends their posts with their handle deserves the utmost praise.

Pillow Pants 2006 Word.

Are senility or delusional personal attacks?
If not could you get me in with your bookie? You know the one that is going to let you bet $50000 on Ohio State +3 (Dixies special line)

When a graded stakes horse is to the point that he can only compete in a $5,000 claiming race, it almost certainly means that he has a serious injury. He probably has a tendon or suspensory. If they keep running the horse, he will probably end up getting hurt very badly and possibly breaking down and dying. That is the problem.

If you had a horse that had made you over $1 million, would you run him for $5,000 if you knew he had a serious physical problem and would be at risk of serious injury and possibly breaking down if he continues to run? I think most people would retire the horse in that situation.

Merry Xmas Buddy.

I'm going out with Lady Tak and Phasterhoov tonight. You will be sorely missed:D

Richi,
I would not run ANY horse that fit that description.
not b/c I care about the horse, but b/c it puts the riders in danger and its not fair to the wagering public.

if the horse is not fit to run, then its on the vet to prevent him from running.
thats all pure speculation though on your part.
for all anyone knows, the horse has just slowed down for whatever reason.


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the signing at the end of the post goes back to something that occured at the thoroughbredtimes forum.
I would not expect you to understand.

I could say the same thing to you about using another forum member's words as a signature.

then again, as long as its not my words that you are using, I really dont give 2 sh*ts what you use as a signature.


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I have trained and run many bowed horses and horses with suspensory problems. Only one was ever vanned off after a race and he bowed a fresh tendon in that race.

Won many races with these rejects. First and Finest, who I claimed from Harbor View, won a stake in Md. Concerned, who I bought from King Ranch for $5000, went on to win 7 more races up to starter's handicaps in NY.

The truth of the matter is that there are many horses out there that fit this description, especially in the cheap claiming races. There are a ton of horses out there that should not be running. The problem is that many of these smaller tracks would have nothing but 4 horse fields if horses with tendons or suspensories were not allowed to run.

If Shake You Down is totally sound and has just slowed down, then you have a point. But I don't think there is any chance that the horse is sound. There aren't all that many sound horses out there to begin with, let alone an old gelding like him.

well,
you would know better than I would.
Im just saying I do not know what his physical condition is.
and I do not care at all.

have to run where the horse is competitive.
guess this is where the trainer or owner thinks he fits.



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Ohhh the thoroughbred times forum. Well it's hella cool to sign each post now.

...

And about the signature...I thought about using a Velvet Revolver lyric but decided not to since you have the ****ty supergroup lyric signature market cornered.

at this point,
Audioslave can harldy be considered a supergroup.
they are done with their 3rd album now.

not sure what definition you are using, but it does not fit ASlave anymore.

like i said, I dont care what you use as a signature and Im surprised you would care what I end my posts with.



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I know that in a lot of cases if the tendon is not that bad, the horse can last for a while. But we know there are other cases when it is that bad and running the horse would put him at serious risk.

For example, one of my trainers had a horse about a year ago who had a pretty serious issue. I can't even remember what it was. I think it was a tendon. The horse was a home-bred and the owners were somewhat fond of the horse. I think the horse was basically a $50k type horse. Anyway, with the injury he had, they had two choices. They could either retire him or they could run him for $10,000 and hope to win and get him claimed. My trainer thought he would definitely win if they ran him for $10,000 but they were very worried about what would happen to the horse. They didn't think he would break down that day, but they thought he would be very likely to break down in the near future if the person who claimed him continued to run him, which I'm sure he would have. Anyway, they decided to retire the horse. They didn't want to see the horse get hurt. This type of thing is pretty rare these days. Most people would just run the horse and try to get him claimed and they wouldn't care what happens to the horse. People are pretty much playing "hot-potato" with a lot of these claiming horses that have serious issues.