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theguarantee 07-30-2023 11:14 AM

Best Bet: Race 4 #2 Liberty Flame 8/1 - Think this one is every bit as likely a winner as the rest in here and believe the public will be gravitating to several others so should get a square price today.

Bet Value: Race 9 #8 Channel Maker 20/1 - Always like Channel Maker when there is some cut in the ground. Clearly you can cut that morning line ~in half with the conditions and Strong Quality scratching. I was interested in trying to get Strong Quality to wire this group so easy pivot to Channel Maker for me in here today.

Good luck.

Dahoss 07-30-2023 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174491)
I’m tired of Irad’s antics but I can’t really have sympathy for the two other horses involved here, who appeared to be working together to prevent Forte from getting into open space. At what point in time did we become OK with horses from the same trainer teaming up to impede another horse?

I’ve seen a lot of people saying that’s just race riding. I don’t agree. It’s collusion and what bettor wants to see that? It’s different when we’re talking about running a rabbit to set up a closer, imo. I’ve never liked when Baffert did this with his horses and don’t think we should reward this ‘strategy’ by DQing a clearly better horse unless the foul is extraordinarily egregious.

I’m not sure it had anything to do with trainers. I just think it was Prat not wanting to let anyone out. I think he would’ve done the same thing if it was Disarm inside of him and someone else, not trained by Cox on the lead.

Now Rosario wouldn’t have pushed his way out like Irad did but I digress

moses 07-30-2023 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174493)
I’m not sure it had anything to do with trainers. I just think it was Prat not wanting to let anyone out. I think he would’ve done the same thing if it was Disarm inside of him and someone else, not trained by Cox on the lead.

Now Rosario wouldn’t have pushed his way out like Irad did but I digress

Maybe you’re right but it’s a bad look imo. Just one of many (and in this instance, probably fairly minor) reasons the accumulation of most of the talented horses in a small number of barns creates issues for the sport.

moses 07-30-2023 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174487)
I didn’t get a chance to look too closely at this card. But here are two horses I like:

Race 1 - #2 Golden Ghost, 6/1. I want to take a shot here with a horse that debuted in a stakes sprint race on dirt but clearly has pedigree for turf, particularly turf routes. She took money on debut and my guess is Casse thinks she’s got some talent but needs to figure out where she fits. Expecting that she’ll be above 6/1.

Race 3 - #8 Sedona Red, 8/1. With fairly obscure connections going up against the likes of Chad Brown and Todd Pletcher, expect this one to be a big price. But his most recent dirt performance should win this if he can translate it to turf. He’s one of the few 4 year olds in this race and I always give them extra long looks going against 3 year olds in turf routes. The dam has produced two turf winners. They started him out on turf and now send him back to the grass. He’s got a shot…and I suspect will be over the 8/1 morning line price.

Golden Ghost scratched and race 3 off the turf now. Switch to:

Race 6 - #4 Mugen, 7/2.
Race 9 - #9 Rebel’s Romance, 8/5.

Taking some shorter prices on horse I think are logical. Again, didn’t get a lot of time to look at this card so not going to try to be too clever.

Conrad 07-30-2023 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174492)
Best Bet: Race 4 #2 Liberty Flame 8/1 - Think this one is every bit as likely a winner as the rest in here and believe the public will be gravitating to several others so should get a square price today.

Bet Value: Race 9 #8 Channel Maker 20/1 - Always like Channel Maker when there is some cut in the ground. Clearly you can cut that morning line ~in half with the conditions and Strong Quality scratching. I was interested in trying to get Strong Quality to wire this group so easy pivot to Channel Maker for me in here today.

Good luck.

You are having a VERY nice meet. Well done

Dahoss 07-30-2023 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174492)
Best Bet: Race 4 #2 Liberty Flame 8/1 - Think this one is every bit as likely a winner as the rest in here and believe the public will be gravitating to several others so should get a square price today.

Bet Value: Race 9 #8 Channel Maker 20/1 - Always like Channel Maker when there is some cut in the ground. Clearly you can cut that morning line ~in half with the conditions and Strong Quality scratching. I was interested in trying to get Strong Quality to wire this group so easy pivot to Channel Maker for me in here today.

Good luck.

Another great call. Impressive

theguarantee 07-30-2023 07:27 PM

^Thanks guys. It’s been a nice Spa ‘23 for me so far. Up pretty good on the meet even if frustrated feeling like I should be up more. Hopefully can keep it rolling into August.

moses 08-01-2023 04:01 PM

Good call!

Wednesday picks.

Race 7 - #3 Portos, 10/1
Race 9 - #5 Sarah Harper, 6/1

theguarantee 08-02-2023 01:45 PM

Best Bet: Race 10 - #2 Fulgini 12/1
Best Value: Race 8 - #7Runaway Rumour

moses 08-02-2023 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174537)
Best Bet: Race 10 - #2 Fulgini 12/1
Best Value: Race 8 - #7Runaway Rumour

Good luck. I circled back to Runaway Rumour a few times. She’s above 20/1. I’m putting a few bucks on Regal Realm but wouldn’t be surprised to see Runaway Rumour run well either.

Dahoss 08-02-2023 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174537)
Best Bet: Race 10 - #2 Fulgini 12/1
Best Value: Race 8 - #7Runaway Rumour

I bow to your greatness. Educate me. What did I miss with Fulgini>

Kasept 08-03-2023 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174537)
Best Bet: Race 10 - #2 Fulgini 12/1
Best Value: Race 8 - #7Runaway Rumour

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174541)
I bow to your greatness. Educate me. What did I miss with Fulgini>

Great job with Fuligni! :tro::$:

(Agree Hossy. Seemed like a filly that was distinctly better on turf..)

theguarantee 08-03-2023 10:41 AM

^thanks guys. I wish I could tell you it was some great piece of handicapping dahoss but it was mainly a stab. Fuligni has been a bit of a pet of mine and while Steve is right that on figs she certainly looked like a better turfer I thought she had some excuses, subtle and weird trips on dirt and just looked like a field that was crying out for a price to me. I always give Bonds horses a second and third look at the Spa and I liked having Rosario up at what would be a square price. She sat an absolutely perfect trip and it was nice it worked out.

Have to update my records but probably won’t get to it until Saturday as I’m away again.

Best Bet: Race 9 - #3 Amazing Grace 5/1 - I loved her Euro form and thought she was tons the best in the NA debut. Had high hopes and she’s disappointed the last two but the first is excusable at slightly shorter behind a slow pace. I don’t think she wants 2 miles as she possesses a really nice turn of foot. I think she’s at her best going 1.5 and she’ll get that today. Not sure she’s good enough to beat War Like if she fires an A race and a little worried about the pace but we should get a square price and want to give her one more shot to prove she’s as good as I think.

Best Value: Race 1 - #10 A Knights Courage 15/1 - Although I think is probably bred more for synth than turf I’ve liked the of this colt and was waiting for Donk to switch surfaces. The horses has absolutely detested the kickback on dirt in my opinion. Not sure he’s quite good enough but can’t pass on a big price today.

Good luck.

moses 08-03-2023 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174524)
Good call!

Wednesday picks.

Race 7 - #3 Portos, 10/1
Race 9 - #5 Sarah Harper, 6/1

Porto’s paid $5.30 to place. I didn’t see Race 9 but Sarah Harper did not finish very high.

$120.00 wagered
$116.30 returned

Hoping to get back into the green.

First bet: Race 6 - #4 Destiny Star, 4/1. The works on this horse have been phenomenal. Half sibling Kentucky Kiss broke maiden on the turf. I don’t love taking a short price in a 2YO race but Johnny V is aboard here and have confidence this one will be given a fair shot. Maybe she gets overlooked since Hamm is her trainer?

Second bet: Race 9 - #2 Virginia Joy, 8/1. How many times has Chad Brown won a graded stakes race on turf for us all to say, “Of course, Chad Brown. How’d I miss that one?” I don’t love the pace scenario for the huge favorite War Like Goddess. She is obviously the class of this field…but she’s a late runner who may get no pace to run at. While likely front runners Elegant Taste and Vergara offer some appeal (the latter, much more so), I don’t think either of them are good enough to win this. She gets a massive jockey upgrade. Her last two races had Dylan Davis and Manny Franco aboard but she will have Prat aboard here. I think she’ll get a better trip this time around as the stalker right behind the two mentioned above and should get first run at them.

moses 08-04-2023 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174558)
Porto’s paid $5.30 to place. I didn’t see Race 9 but Sarah Harper did not finish very high.

$120.00 wagered
$116.30 returned

Hoping to get back into the green.

First bet: Race 6 - #4 Destiny Star, 4/1. The works on this horse have been phenomenal. Half sibling Kentucky Kiss broke maiden on the turf. I don’t love taking a short price in a 2YO race but Johnny V is aboard here and have confidence this one will be given a fair shot. Maybe she gets overlooked since Hamm is her trainer?

Second bet: Race 9 - #2 Virginia Joy, 8/1. How many times has Chad Brown won a graded stakes race on turf for us all to say, “Of course, Chad Brown. How’d I miss that one?” I don’t love the pace scenario for the huge favorite War Like Goddess. She is obviously the class of this field…but she’s a late runner who may get no pace to run at. While likely front runners Elegant Taste and Vergara offer some appeal (the latter, much more so), I don’t think either of them are good enough to win this. She gets a massive jockey upgrade. Her last two races had Dylan Davis and Manny Franco aboard but she will have Prat aboard here. I think she’ll get a better trip this time around as the stalker right behind the two mentioned above and should get first run at them.

Well, I suck.

$128.00 wagered
$116.30 returned

First bet: Race 8 - #8 Mysterious Night, 10/1. There are several very good horses in this race. While this one hasn’t been great in his last two outings, I keep going back to that September race at Woodbine last year. He looked effortless in winning that and my hope is Charles Appleby has righted the ship here. I’m willing to find out at 10/1.

Second bet: Race 7 - #7 Papilio, 5/1. She has had some troubled trips in her recent starts but always shows heart and toughness. Looking for her to put it all together today.

jms62 08-04-2023 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174579)
Well, I suck.

$128.00 wagered
$116.30 returned

First bet: Race 8 - #8 Mysterious Night, 10/1. There are several very good horses in this race. While this one hasn’t been great in his last two outings, I keep going back to that September race at Woodbine last year. He looked effortless in winning that and my hope is Charles Appleby has righted the ship here. I’m willing to find out at 10/1.

Second bet: Race 7 - #7 Papilio, 5/1. She has had some troubled trips in her recent starts but always shows heart and toughness. Looking for her to put it all together today.

Interesting stat on Appleby FWIW

from 2021-Current

He is 18 Starts 4 Wins from Jan through July

He is 24 Starts 13 Wins Aug through December

moses 08-04-2023 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1174580)
Interesting stat on Appleby FWIW

from 2021-Current

He is 18 Starts 4 Wins from Jan through July

He is 24 Starts 13 Wins Aug through December

Interesting. 4/18 isn’t even bad. 13/24 is incredible. I didn’t realize that.

I really wanted to like the Chad maiden breaker in that race…but I have a feeling that was a pretty bad maiden field so couldn’t do it.

moses 08-04-2023 12:23 PM

I think I’m headed down the shore tomorrow so going to throw in my Saturday picks as well.

First bet: Race 9 - #2 Program Trading, 7/2
Second bet: Race 10 - #2 Charge It, 5/1

If either get scratched:
Alternative 1: Race 2 - #8 Badlands Ruler, 20/1
Alternative 2: Race 6 - #3 Cogburn, 8/1

moses 08-04-2023 01:52 PM

Not for this challenge but I’m throwing some money on the 16 here in race 4.

theguarantee 08-04-2023 02:10 PM

Whiffed bad yesterday. Not much time today.

Best Bet: Race 7 - #3 Elusive Princess 7/2
Best Value: Race 8 - #2 Bat Flip 8/1

moses 08-04-2023 03:27 PM

That horse cannot avoid trouble.

moses 08-04-2023 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174579)
Well, I suck.

$128.00 wagered
$116.30 returned

First bet: Race 8 - #8 Mysterious Night, 10/1. There are several very good horses in this race. While this one hasn’t been great in his last two outings, I keep going back to that September race at Woodbine last year. He looked effortless in winning that and my hope is Charles Appleby has righted the ship here. I’m willing to find out at 10/1.

Second bet: Race 7 - #7 Papilio, 5/1. She has had some troubled trips in her recent starts but always shows heart and toughness. Looking for her to put it all together today.

Just saw that the 8 is scratched. I’ll take the #4 Ocean Vision, 15/1 morning line.

theguarantee 08-05-2023 02:07 PM

Will update record in the morning and will follow dahoss lead and post an extra pick given the rainout but will hold that for tomorrow since I’ll be trackside and looking more closely at the races. For today:

Best Bet: Race 8 #6 Dorth Vader 6/1 - think she finds the right spot and distance today and is as likely a winner as any in here.

Best Value: Race 12: #2 Danzigwiththestars - always liked this one and seems to be spotted pretty well today. Usually fires big at Saratoga and I guess maybe is not good enough but should run big today.

Good luck

moses 08-05-2023 06:44 PM

Program Trading won to collect $14.00. Charge It flopped.

$140.00 wagered.
$130.30 returned.

I’ll have to look at tomorrows races late tonight or tomorrow morning. Maybe I’ll add a third horse to even out the cancelation on Friday. I’ll have to see how I like the card. My 2nd alternate Cogburn won at a pretty nice price.

Just horrible about Maple Leaf Mel. Absolutely horrible.

moses 08-05-2023 10:32 PM

Sunday.

Race 4 - #3 Whatlovelookslike, 9/2
Race 7 - #6 Spirit and Fire, 10/1
Race 8 - #4 Brightwork, 9/2

(Note: Spirit and Fire and Brightwork are half-sisters)

theguarantee 08-06-2023 08:45 AM

Best Value: Race 4 - #5 Myriskyaffair 9/2 - Like the way this one has tactical speed and finishes like she'll take to added ground (and already ran a decent third this route at BAQ).

Best Bet: Race 5 - # 1A Durkin's Call 3/1 - A little disappointed in the morning line but going to stick with it as I think this veteran is sitting on go today, gets to what I think is his best distance and I'm hoping the patient Dylan Davis changes tactics a bit today and drops out/makes one run. Think his closing kick has been dulled a bit sitting a bit closer to the pace going the wrong distances the last bunch of races.

Best Value #2: Race 3 - #1 Crowding Out 6/1 - Think this one is another getting back to the right distance today. Has nice, easy, turf sprint speed and I don't see a ton of pace signed on here. Went too fast two back, too far in the last...today's distance should hit her square between the eyes, sports an easy win at today's distance, track and class level and appears to be training best she has in a while in the leadup to today.

Good luck.

moses 08-06-2023 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174636)
Sunday.

Race 4 - #3 Whatlovelookslike, 9/2
Race 7 - #6 Spirit and Fire, 10/1
Race 8 - #4 Brightwork, 9/2

(Note: Spirit and Fire and Brightwork are half-sisters)

I just noticed that Spirit and Fire is scratched. That kind of sucks because I liked and bet both Ozara and Burgee who won last race. But enough redboarding.

I’m going to pick a horse in race 6. The race looks loaded though I really don’t buy into the favorite the 4 horse. I like the works on the 1. The Mott 2 horse is supposed to be pretty good. The 5 has faced some tough horses. And I haven’t gotten to the Brown and Pletcher horses.

I’m going to take a shot on the 1 Empire Island who’s sitting at 6/1 right now. The horse looks very fit. Norm Casse/Santana hitting at a good rate. Giddy up.

moses 08-06-2023 03:03 PM

Announcing that the remaining turf races will be OFF at post time of race 6 (first leg of pick 5), is not great.

jms62 08-06-2023 03:51 PM

Nothing like being 7 FU**ING Deep and lose.:zz:

moses 08-06-2023 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1174650)
Nothing like being 7 FU**ING Deep and lose.:zz:

Pick 4?

The OFF races are ALL for races 7,9,10 now for the pick 5 and 6.

moses 08-06-2023 03:55 PM

I’d love to know Maker’s stats for races taken off the turf. He’s got to have a positive ROI. Seems like he is always hitting with bombs off the turf.

jms62 08-06-2023 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174652)
I’d love to know Maker’s stats for races taken off the turf. He’s got to have a positive ROI. Seems like he is always hitting with bombs off the turf.

Just realized they took races off turf.. Put bet in and went out. Got back in the middle of 6th race... They got me again. I'll just shut up and bet.. But not the Pick 5. Sure I'm not the only one they screwed.

moses 08-06-2023 04:29 PM

All 3 picks won today. Today was a good day.

$152.00 wagered
$178.50 returned

Dahoss 08-06-2023 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174654)
All 3 picks won today. Today was a good day.

$152.00 wagered
$178.50 returned

Fantastic job

moses 08-06-2023 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1174655)
Fantastic job

Thanks. Nice call for you today as well.

jms62 08-07-2023 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1174654)
All 3 picks won today. Today was a good day.

$152.00 wagered
$178.50 returned

Great Day

moses 08-08-2023 06:09 PM

Two horses for Wednesday.

Race 6 - #13 Honey Dijon, 8/1 ML. I liked her earlier in the meet and Joe Sharp sent her back out for a blazing workout last week. The horses she was up against last time were pretty good. This group should be a lot easier as this one has been taken off the turf. Gaffalione still aboard, hopefully this one just needed a race.

Race 8 - #5 Pharaoh’s Heart, 7/2. I’m against Raging Sea here and hoping this one can jump out to the lead and never look back. The horse has talent, winning by 19 lengths two back. Not really impressed by anyone else in here. I’ll take 7/2 on this one.

theguarantee 08-09-2023 08:09 AM

^Nice work Sunday moses, should've taken your picks instead of mine. Durkin's Call looked like a sure winner at the top of the stretch but hung like a chandelier - the other two picks just weren't good. Finally got around to updating the records:

Wagered: $152.00
Returned: $211.00

Be back with picks for today later.

moses 08-09-2023 08:38 AM

I wanted to talk about race 5 a bit.

Keri Brion has a 2YO in a dirt sprint today. I’ve grown accustomed to seeing her with the hurdles. She’s a very good trainer and glad to see her with a starter at Saratoga (outside of a hurdles race).

That race is ripe for an absolute bomb to come in. I doubt it will be her horse (doesn’t seem to have much success with 2YO and the works are nothing special), but Zadorsky lost by 9 lengths to Gypsy Tales (who just didn’t really show up this weekend), Shinmering Allure faltered after a fairly moderate pace last time out (to a horse that lost to Zadorsky by 6 lengths), and Crazy Cami may run well with the addition of blinkers but was not impressive in her first start (though that most recent work is nice.)

I’m guessing Zadorsky and the Chad horses will get bet because none of the horses look like much. Could Contessa throw in another 2YO bomb? Maybe a dirt sprint specialist like Santana steals it?

Personally, I really like the #1 Lady Prospect. Rudy has been a bit cold at Saratoga since the first week or so but…Saez aboard. The works are good. Both sire and dam were precocious. I’m going to watch the prices but will be firing hard if that horse is 8/1 or above. If one of my other horses scratches, she would definitely be my next bet.

moses 08-09-2023 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguarantee (Post 1174694)
^Nice work Sunday moses, should've taken your picks instead of mine. Durkin's Call looked like a sure winner at the top of the stretch but hung like a chandelier - the other two picks just weren't good. Finally got around to updating the records:

Wagered: $152.00
Returned: $211.00

Be back with picks for today later.

Thanks…and WOW on your return so far. Keep it up!


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