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jms62 05-01-2022 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163854)
Tough weekend Vic.

Did the horse named "UM" make yet another start?

v j stauffer 05-01-2022 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163854)
Tough weekend Vic.

Nah, I thought the weekend was pretty fun.

Finally hit a winner for the first time in a month of Sunday's.

How was your weekend?

Dahoss 05-01-2022 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1163856)
Did the horse named "UM" make yet another start?

Watch the 3rd from Saturday.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

v j stauffer 05-01-2022 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163870)
Watch the 3rd from Saturday.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

I saw the 3rd Saturday. I called it.

Only thing I can say is that was one hell of an effort by RISKY SITUATION to run that well in the 2nd. Then come right back and WIN the 3rd!

You don't often see heart, talent and versatility like that!

Dahoss 05-01-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1163871)
I saw the 3rd Saturday. I called it.

Only thing I can say is that was one hell of an effort by RISKY SITUATION to run that well in the 2nd. Then come right back and WIN the 3rd!

You don't often see heart, talent and versatility like that!

Clear, concise, accurate and exciting. That call had it all.

To be fair, while that was far and away your worst blunder this weekend, it wasn't your only one.

I saw even Karl Broberg called you out for all of your mistakes. And you led me to believe I was the only one. Funny stuff.

v j stauffer 05-01-2022 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163872)
Clear, concise, accurate and exciting. That call had it all.

To be fair, while that was far and away your worst blunder this weekend, it wasn't your only one.

I saw even Karl Broberg called you out for all of your mistakes. And you led me to believe I was the only one. Funny stuff.

If my mistakes make you happy. That makes me happy.

It seems like the only time you're happy is when something bad happens to someone else.

What a way to live.

Only 3 days left in the meet. I'll try to be even worse next weekend.

Then you're on your own till next Dec 9th.

Dahoss 05-02-2022 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1163873)
If my mistakes make you happy. That makes me happy.

It seems like the only time you're happy is when something bad happens to someone else.

What a way to live.

Only 3 days left in the meet. I'll try to be even worse next weekend.

Then you're on your own till next Dec 9th.

I love the victim stuff. You know absolutely nothing about me or what makes me happy.

On the other hand we all know you have an inflated ego and are one of, if not the most self absorbed people most of us will ever encounter. You prove this daily on twitter or whatever message board you’re pandering on that day.

You’re the one that is so self involved you thought it was a good idea to actually type out and hit submit on a post where you said you were calling better than at any point in your career. You’re the one who described your calls as clear, concise, accurate and exciting. And you’re the one that called the winner of the 3rd on Saturday the wrong name throughout the race. The fact the horse won was almost like the karma gods trying to keep you in check a little.

It could’ve been a horse who was up the track, but no…it was the winner. So great. It was a mistake any announcer could’ve made. Then again, I can’t recall another announcer so in love with themselves that they would post the dumb sh.it that you do.

So yeah…it was a hilarious moment. And it was worth mentioning. Own it.

v j stauffer 05-02-2022 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163880)
I love the victim stuff. You know absolutely nothing about me or what makes me happy.

On the other hand we all know you have an inflated ego and are one of, if not the most self absorbed people most of us will ever encounter. You prove this daily on twitter or whatever message board you’re pandering on that day.

You’re the one that is so self involved you thought it was a good idea to actually type out and hit submit on a post where you said you were calling better than at any point in your career. You’re the one who described your calls as clear, concise, accurate and exciting. And you’re the one that called the winner of the 3rd on Saturday the wrong name throughout the race. The fact the horse won was almost like the karma gods trying to keep you in check a little.

It could’ve been a horse who was up the track, but no…it was the winner. So great. It was a mistake any announcer could’ve made. Then again, I can’t recall another announcer so in love with themselves that they would post the dumb sh.it that you do.

So yeah…it was a hilarious moment. And it was worth mentioning. Own it.

I did own it.

Nancy and I laughed about it on the handicap show.

v j stauffer 05-02-2022 09:40 AM

What did you guys think of CADDO RIVER'S win?

IMO he's about to become an important horse in the handicap division.

Thoughts?

Dahoss 05-02-2022 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1163881)
I did own it.

Nancy and I laughed about it on the handicap show.

So why act like a bitch when it was brought up here?

v j stauffer 05-02-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163883)
So why act like a bitch when it was brought up here?

Hey wait a minute HOSS!

That's no act!!!

freddymo 05-02-2022 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1163882)
What did you guys think of CADDO RIVER'S win?

IMO he's about to become an important horse in the handicap division.

Thoughts?

Who is the best horse that Caddo has ever beaten? I will give Cox credit for getting this one running well again. Is he a 9/10f horse better hope so because he isn't beating a plethora of good fast horses around one turn.

v j stauffer 05-02-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1163886)
Who is the best horse that Caddo has ever beaten? I will give Cox credit for getting this one running well again. Is he a 9/10f horse better hope so because he isn't beating a plethora of good fast horses around one turn.

He beat nothing yesterday. I was shocked when they scratched THOMAS SHELBY out of $1,000,000 race last week when he looked like controlling speed. Was a major red flag for me.

It wasn't who he beat yesterday. It was how he looked doing it.

We'll see. I think he might be getting very good.

freddymo 05-02-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1163887)
He beat nothing yesterday. I was shocked when they scratched THOMAS SHELBY out of $1,000,000 race last week when he looked like controlling speed. Was a major red flag for me.

It wasn't who he beat yesterday. It was how he looked doing it.

We'll see. I think he might be getting very good.

very good at what, two-turn races against inferior stock? He is out of allowance races so what's next The Blame at CD at 9f and if he does Ok the Foster

v j stauffer 05-06-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1161911)
It's all about Vic always...so because she runs at Oaklawn, she's generational.

I think generational is still in play. Thoughts?

v j stauffer 05-06-2022 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1161920)
There's something really wrong when horses like Secret Oath are referred to as a generational talent unless it's tongue in cheek. At this point she's a promising 3YO beating up on horribly overmatched horses, even more so than Songbird, who at least was a brilliant 2YO that never really progressed significantly but was still good enough to beat most of the horses she faced.

This has been an incredibly uninspiring crop of 3YO fillies, save Echo Zulu, so it's great to see someone else come along, but a little rational perspective wouldn't hurt.

Would it be rational to say that generational is still possible?

Dahoss 05-06-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164162)
I think generational is still in play. Thoughts?

Stop. She's a really nice horse. Let her be a really nice horse without making it all about you.

Dahoss 05-06-2022 09:25 PM

I see Vic is pandering on Twitter about the generational nonsense too.

Get some help man. Seriously.

v j stauffer 05-06-2022 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164164)
Stop. She's a really nice horse. Let her be a really nice horse without making it all about you.

I asked what you thought of the horse. YOU are the one that ALWAYS makes it about me.

Let's try this again. Is generational still in play?

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2022 10:15 PM

A horse wins the KY Oaks with a 94 Beyer and she's a generational talent.

Vic, stop trolling....and don't pretend you aren't.

v j stauffer 05-06-2022 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1164169)
A horse wins the KY Oaks with a 94 Beyer and she's a generational talent.

Vic, stop trolling....and don't pretend you aren't.

HOW IN THE HELL AM I TROLLING when I asked for your opinion?

Earlier I said I thought she was very special.

You said you didn't think so.

Based on today's effort I wondered if your opinion had changed.

I respect your opinion.

You and your man crush are guilty of what you constantly accuse me of.

Let's FOR THE FINAL FREAKIN TIME try this again.

Do you think generational is still in play?

OMG OMG OMG am I sick of you two clowns.

You did it. You did what you ALWAYS do. You wore me down.

I tried to treat you both with the respect of talking about horses.

You just can't do it. PATHETIC.

See you in another year when I try again.

Enjoy each other!!!!!!

Dahoss 05-06-2022 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164170)
HOW IN THE HELL AM I TROLLING when I asked for your opinion?

Earlier I said I thought she was very special.

You said you didn't think so.

Based on today's effort I wondered if your opinion had changed.

I respect your opinion.

You and your man crush are guilty of what you constantly accuse me of.

Let's FOR THE FINAL FREAKIN TIME try this again.

Do you think generational is still in play?

OMG OMG OMG am I sick of you two clowns.

You did it. You did what you ALWAYS do. You wore me down.

I tried to treat you both with the respect of talking about horses.

You just can't do it. PATHETIC.

See you in another year when I try again.

Enjoy each other!!!!!!

Sharp post

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2022 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164171)
Sharp post

He's just trolling for attention. It's sad.

Alabama Stakes 05-06-2022 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1164169)
A horse wins the KY Oaks with a 94 Beyer and she's a generational talent.

Vic, stop trolling....and don't pretend you aren't.

How much does Beyer pay you every time you say 94 beyer ? Is it more when you say 104 beyer speed figure ?

Dahoss 05-06-2022 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1164176)
How much does Beyer pay you every time you say 94 beyer ? Is it more when you say 104 beyer speed figure ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3O4J4DH4tyo

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2022 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164177)

He's such a loser that I'm actually embarrassed I was friendly with him once. Kind of makes me glad I didn't get him those Phish tickets.

Alabama Stakes 05-06-2022 11:46 PM

Ever wonder why so many fans dislike you , Andy ?

RolloTomasi 05-07-2022 12:01 AM

What is the definition of a "generational talent" exactly?

The history of the Kentucky Oaks is replete with fillies that won the race after running the table in their respective region ahead of the race.

Secret Oath certainly hasn't done anything more (and probably less in terms of speed figures and 2yo form) than horses like Lite Light, Blush with Pride, Tiffany Lass, Blushing K D, Secret Status, and Princess of Sylmar, never mind horses like Rachel Alexandra, Open Mind, Silverbulletday, Rags to Riches, Untapable, and Monomoy Girl.

Is Malathaat a generational talent?

Dahoss 05-07-2022 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1164179)
He's such a loser that I'm actually embarrassed I was friendly with him once. Kind of makes me glad I didn't get him those Phish tickets.

Yeah he’s a real generational loser.

Alabama Stakes 05-07-2022 03:13 AM

You guys are mad because Vic is a better handicapper than y’all.

v j stauffer 05-07-2022 09:14 AM

THIS IS WHAT JERRY BROWN OF THORO-GRAPH WROTE BEFORE YESTERDAY'S RACE.........

As we pointed out before the Arkansas Derby, Secret Oath reminds us of
Eight Belles, who also suddenly got better over the winter at Oaklawn, and
stayed at that level. But where Eight Belles was overraced, Secret Oath has
had two fewer starts coming into Louisville, and has an old-fashioned 3yo
pattern for an old-fashioned trainer—a pair of tops followed by an off race.
With five weeks rest we expect her to get right back to her top, which makes
her a very strong contender.
Note that this filly is out of a mare that ran big numbers, but not until she
was older, and her previous foals did nothing at two. If she stays sound
Secret Oath could be something special.

Be sure to add what's wrong with HIM as a human being too.

Since that's the way you wanna be's handicap horses AND LIFE!

freddymo 05-07-2022 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1164182)
Ever wonder why so many fans dislike you , Andy ?

Loathe not dislike. Ever wonder what a person is and how they will be defined?

Dahoss 05-07-2022 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164210)
THIS IS WHAT JERRY BROWN OF THORO-GRAPH WROTE BEFORE YESTERDAY'S RACE.........

As we pointed out before the Arkansas Derby, Secret Oath reminds us of
Eight Belles, who also suddenly got better over the winter at Oaklawn, and
stayed at that level. But where Eight Belles was overraced, Secret Oath has
had two fewer starts coming into Louisville, and has an old-fashioned 3yo
pattern for an old-fashioned trainer—a pair of tops followed by an off race.
With five weeks rest we expect her to get right back to her top, which makes
her a very strong contender.
Note that this filly is out of a mare that ran big numbers, but not until she
was older, and her previous foals did nothing at two. If she stays sound
Secret Oath could be something special.

Be sure to add what's wrong with HIM as a human being too.

Since that's the way you wanna be's handicap horses AND LIFE!

Sharp post

Dahoss 05-07-2022 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1164212)
Loathe not dislike. Ever wonder what a person is and how they will be defined?

Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

freddymo 05-07-2022 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164210)
THIS IS WHAT JERRY BROWN OF THORO-GRAPH WROTE BEFORE YESTERDAY'S RACE.........

As we pointed out before the Arkansas Derby, Secret Oath reminds us of
Eight Belles, who also suddenly got better over the winter at Oaklawn, and
stayed at that level. But where Eight Belles was overraced, Secret Oath has
had two fewer starts coming into Louisville, and has an old-fashioned 3yo
pattern for an old-fashioned trainer—a pair of tops followed by an off race.
With five weeks rest we expect her to get right back to her top, which makes
her a very strong contender.
Note that this filly is out of a mare that ran big numbers, but not until she
was older, and her previous foals did nothing at two. If she stays sound
Secret Oath could be something special.

Be sure to add what's wrong with HIM as a human being too.

Since that's the way you wanna be's handicap horses AND LIFE!

Didn't Jerry Brown buy Twitter? Vic, she was one of the 4 most likely winners, a ten-year-old looking at the form for 2 months would have realized she was as least as likely as any filly to win. Ultimately you are splitting hairs when handicapping a race like that. Nobody in their right mind thought she was an X. I liked Kathleen the best I thought she was most likely. You are making a filly that has never run an above par G1 figure a killer she isn't. Let it go leave the great talk for Rachel who would have beat her by a pole. I actually think given the dynamics of the race Echo Zulu ran as well as Secret Oath. We don't know if EZ needs one turn to blossom or just may need more seasoning as she obviously started late. That said would you be surprised if any of the other 3 fillies won the division? Sure S.O. is the leader right now but we are just getting started.

Dahoss 05-07-2022 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164183)
What is the definition of a "generational talent" exactly?

The history of the Kentucky Oaks is replete with fillies that won the race after running the table in their respective region ahead of the race.

Secret Oath certainly hasn't done anything more (and probably less in terms of speed figures and 2yo form) than horses like Lite Light, Blush with Pride, Tiffany Lass, Blushing K D, Secret Status, and Princess of Sylmar, never mind horses like Rachel Alexandra, Open Mind, Silverbulletday, Rags to Riches, Untapable, and Monomoy Girl.

Is Malathaat a generational talent?

In between his tears maybe Vic can actually respond to this post.

v j stauffer 05-07-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164214)
Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

All the reasons why I respect his handicapping ability. Way back in the day I reached out to Andy and asked for his help with a TVG shift I was doing that involved harness racing. He COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been more GRACIOUS and HELPFUL.

To this day we have NEVER met or spoken face to face.

But OTHER people have told him I'm a bad guy. So it must be true.

It's not.

I refuse to go there about him. I'm a man and will draw my own conclusions.

My admiration for his work ethic, love of our sport and willingness to help teach horse players will always supersede the nonsense he spews about me.

He knows NOTHING about me.

You HOSS don't exist. You're words on a page that has never done anything in this industry and never will.

You're a desperately ANGRY guy that ONLY finds solace from the demons when rejoicing in other people's human frailties and failures.

The fact that you can even think you're part of any discussion about anything between ANDY SERLING and VIC STAUFFER is a testament of just how delusional you truly are.

You're a sad bug that people wipe off their windshields.

ANDY is an accomplished respected member of our industry who has put his heart and soul into making it better.

I've dedicated the last 40 years of my life trying to do the same.

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

You've never mattered before and you damn sure don't now.

Don't worry. Something terrible will happen to someone today.

There's your root. Good luck.

Dead heat between CYBERKNIFE and SMILE HAPPY.

Would LOVE to know what Andy thinks.

You? :p:p:p

freddymo 05-07-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164214)
Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

Part of who you are is what you do. Harvey Pack got me into thoroughbred racing, mostly by making it fun with a bit of sage sprinkled in. Andy taught me how to handicap and the work that needed to be done to formulate a qualified opinion. Steve exposes me(us) to the horse racing ecosystem and all 3 have completely different ways of communicating, you just have to listen.

I only talk about horses with Andy when he wants to as it's way better talking about other stuff.

v j stauffer 05-07-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1164215)
Didn't Jerry Brown buy Twitter? Vic, she was one of the 4 most likely winners, a ten-year-old looking at the form for 2 months would have realized she was as least as likely as any filly to win. Ultimately you are splitting hairs when handicapping a race like that. Nobody in their right mind thought she was an X. I liked Kathleen the best I thought she was most likely. You are making a filly that has never run an above par G1 figure a killer she isn't. Let it go leave the great talk for Rachel who would have beat her by a pole. I actually think given the dynamics of the race Echo Zulu ran as well as Secret Oath. We don't know if EZ needs one turn to blossom or just may need more seasoning as she obviously started late. That said would you be surprised if any of the other 3 fillies won the division? Sure S.O. is the leader right now but we are just getting started.

Freddy, the very concept of becoming generational means it takes a while to achieve.

All I've ever said is I "think" she has a chance to develop into that.

Jerry compared her to EIGHT BELLES "before" yesterdays race. In fact he did it even before the Arkansas Derby.

I said what I said after an allowance race at Oaklawn.

Last time I made that kind of prediction it was about a horse named ZENYATTA in her 2nd career start.

SECRET OATH'S win yesterday was certainly impressive. Is she "generational" yet. No of course not.

Can she become that? I think so, but I respect what others on here have to say and would like to hear your opinions as well.

v j stauffer 05-07-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1164219)
Part of who you are is what you do. Harvey Pack got me into thoroughbred racing, mostly by making it fun with a bit of sage sprinkled in. Andy taught me how to handicap and the work that needed to be done to formulate a qualified opinion. Steve exposes me(us) to the horse racing ecosystem and all 3 have completely different ways of communicating, you just have to listen.

I only talk about horses with Andy when he wants to as it's way better talking about other stuff.

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