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jms62 03-18-2014 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 970037)
He should tell the American people the truth. That the overwhelming majority of Crimea wants to align with Russia and we have no dog in this fight.

Stop lying to America about creating serious consequences for Russia. The gullible including Danzig believe freezing non-existent bank accounts and visas have negatively affected people holding those non-existent accounts.

Hint: Putin suggested putting the same restrictions on John McCain and Dick Durbin and unlike their Russian counterparts it didn't seem to bring any serious consequences instead it brought 'laughs' from McCain and 'honor' to Durbin.
You nailed it :tro:. How is it that we are a Democracy that views elections that we don't agree with the outcome as shams? It's not like North Korea which had 100% turnout and 100% vote in favor of little Porky.

dellinger63 03-18-2014 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 970038)
You nailed it :tro:. How is it that we are a Democracy that views elections that we don't agree with the outcome as shams? It's not like North Korea which had 100% turnout and 100% vote in favor of little Porky.
Only difference, there is media on the ground (tons of European), twitter and facebook accounts of Crimean's etc. etc. verifying the majority want to go Russian.

But I get what you were trying to shoot at when you missed. ;)

Danzig 03-18-2014 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 970038)
You nailed it :tro:. How is it that we are a Democracy that views elections that we don't agree with the outcome as shams? It's not like North Korea which had 100% turnout and 100% vote in favor of little Porky.
slate had an article yesterday, i think i linked it, explaining how the crimean 'election' was a sham. it's very similar to what happened in north korea.
at any rate, since i guess joey isn't going to answer....

what we should do is pretty much what we are doing, next to nothing. but i do find it incredibly amusing to see many of the same people complaining about us bombing libya, now complaining because we aren't bombing russia (or syria). we aren't supposed to be the worlds policeman...except when we are, according to some.
some don't want action-they just want to complain.

jms62 03-18-2014 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970042)
slate had an article yesterday, i think i linked it, explaining how the crimean 'election' was a sham. it's very similar to what happened in north korea.
at any rate, since i guess joey isn't going to answer....

what we should do is pretty much what we are doing, next to nothing. but i do find it incredibly amusing to see many of the same people complaining about us bombing libya, now complaining because we aren't bombing russia (or syria). we aren't supposed to be the worlds policeman...except when we are, according to some.
some don't want action-they just want to complain.
It is much easier to respond when you don't think through or research a specific issue. So much easier regurgitating your party line. That goes for both Bloods and Crips.

dellinger63 03-18-2014 10:40 AM
First hand account of how it's affecting one of those 'sanctioned'

Dmitry Rogozin
Rogozin enjoys real influence as deputy prime minister for the defence and space industry, Russia's biggest exports outside of oil and gas. He brushed off the sanctions against him, "thanking" the US for "real international recognition" in a tweet on Monday. He also implied he didn't have property abroad to worry about. "Comrade Obama, what about those who have neither accounts nor property abroad? Or you didn't think about that?" Rogozin tweeted.

jms62 03-18-2014 10:59 AM
As usual he is spot on.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/6544163/

Danzig 03-18-2014 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 970048)
yeah, the sign i saw that said 'how great the sin when someone else commits it' apllies to the u.s. in this case.

the false outrage is crazy. exactly what are we to do? what leg have we got to stand on to say that russia is wrong? or crimea is wrong? what business is it of ours what happens in ukraine or crimea?
we all know why russia, putin, etc are doing what they're doing. ukraine wants to be pro-west, crimea is pro-russian. the leader of ukraine was run out-not exactly democracy in action.
it's all ridiculous.

Rudeboyelvis 03-18-2014 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 970048)
As usual :tro:

Critics point to the Russian "occupation" of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a "triumph of democracy"?

bigrun 03-18-2014 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970029)
still no answer on how we should be handling all this. shocking.

keep watching fox 'news', joey....it won't steer you wrong.
Last nite Stewart show was a re-run of one last week..featured fox news at their best:D...at least they are all on the same Ailes playbook page:zz:

Rudeboyelvis 03-18-2014 03:51 PM
interesting, insightful vid from vice.com:

https://news.vice.com/video/russian-...=homepage-lede

Danzig 03-19-2014 11:51 AM
russian forces stormed a base in crimea...

dellinger63 03-19-2014 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970113)
russian forces stormed a base in crimea...
The word 'storm' shows the bias being presented. More like they walked in through the doors. Video showing the 'walking in'. Not even a paper cut suffered.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-forces...105314380.html

Duvalier 03-19-2014 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 970114)
The word 'storm' shows the bias being presented. More like they walked in through the doors. Video showing the 'walking in'. Not even a paper cut suffered.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-forces...105314380.html
Talk about a bias. I love irony.

dellinger63 03-19-2014 12:40 PM
'Pro-Russian forces enter Ukraine navy's Black Sea HQ'

Another account of the same incident

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...russian-troops

Danzig 03-19-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 970115)
Talk about a bias. I love irony.
http://news.msn.com/world/russian-fo...h-to-isolation

this was the story i first saw, which is what i based my brief post on.


i just hope all this can be resolved. i do not want to see a continued ratcheting up of tensions, disagreements, etc, etc until this turns into a huge mess.

Danzig 03-19-2014 07:10 PM
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...ebbfceea67e1d0


ukraine bows to the inevitable, leaving crimea.

bigrun 03-19-2014 07:20 PM
:eek::eek:








Vladimir the Terrible

OldDog 08-08-2016 01:18 PM
Where the hell did that Reset button go . . .

http://www.unian.info/war/1457228-po...offensive.html


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