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jms62 10-03-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 947852)
First stone of the Revolution?

Deranged lunatic or patriot?

Danzig 10-03-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 947865)
As another site pointed out, regarding the shots fired- the Capitol Police are currently working without pay, to protect the members of Congress, who are being paid.

ARGH!

sounds about right.

serfs taking care of the noblemen.


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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 947872)
Deranged lunatic or patriot?

looks like neither. seems from what i've read that the car chase and shooting ended at the capitol by chance, not by design...but who knows?
word that she's dead....or that she's in custody. but that's par for the course, with news outlets all wanting to be 'first', but not necessarily correct.

hi_im_god 10-03-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 947872)
Deranged lunatic or patriot?

the fact that this is a question makes me want to vomit.

Rudeboyelvis 10-03-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 947865)
As another site pointed out, regarding the shots fired- the Capitol Police are currently working without pay, to protect the members of Congress, who are being paid.

ARGH!

They must have had to borrow the bullets from the 1.6 billion bullet stockpile at DHS (100% Fully Operational by the way, no furloughs or shutdowns there):

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphben...-conversation/

seeing as their stockroom @ CHPD is padlocked shut. :(

Danzig 10-03-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 947876)
the fact that this is a question makes me want to vomit.

:tro:

yeah, i don't think anything that's going on merits violence. we have elections to get no-good pols out of office.

Danzig 10-03-2013 05:02 PM

well...

just read one article that claims the woman tried to ram her car thru the white house gates, couldn't do so, and sped to the capitol with police in pursuit...

a child was with her, but wasn't harmed. still seeing she's 'in custody' and also that she was killed by police....

scary stuff.

Danzig 10-03-2013 05:09 PM

oh, i'm soooo proud to be living in arkansas, with such fine representation....

:zz:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._rhetoric.html

Congressman Tweets About Democrats' "Violent Rhetoric" After Capitol Hill Shooting, Then Deletes It

The details of this afternoon's shooting outside the U.S. Capitol are still developing. Lawmakers and staff were told to shelter in place after shots rang out outside the Capitol, and one sheltered lawmaker took the opportunity to rag on Democrats' "violent rhetoric" during the government shutdown.

Danzig 10-03-2013 05:47 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...n_berates.html


oh, what nerve!

jms62 10-03-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 947890)

Wow talk about being out of touch. The one who is responsible for causing the problem blaming those affected by the problem. He knew he would get his sound bite.

Danzig 10-03-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 947894)
Wow talk about being out of touch. The one who is responsible for causing the problem blaming those affected by the problem. He knew he would get his sound bite.

yeah, except his sound bite is him being an idiot!

Danzig 10-03-2013 08:25 PM

http://news.msn.com/us/shutdown-in-3...rouble-looming

again, what nerve:

Boehner answered by batting blame back toward Obama and his "my-way-or-the-highway approach." Boehner said that if the president would negotiate to fix flaws in "Obamacare," the shutdown could end.

"The president's insistence on steamrolling ahead with this flawed program is irresponsible," said Boehner, R-Ohio.



my way or the highway? congress passed this law a few years ago. it's a law, because congress voted on it and passed it, and sent it to the prez to sign.
i know that the house voted 41 times to repeal it-all exercises in futility.
now, if anyone is exhibiting 'my way or the highway' thinking, it's people like boner and cruz. they have shutdown the entire govt because a portion of one branch of our govt doesn't like a law that was voted on, passed, and deemed constitutional.
all three branches passed this law. enough with the bs people!!!
and altho many don't like the law, most like the shutdown even less.

bigrun 10-04-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 947909)
http://news.msn.com/us/shutdown-in-3...rouble-looming

again, what nerve:

Boehner answered by batting blame back toward Obama and his "my-way-or-the-highway approach." Boehner said that if the president would negotiate to fix flaws in "Obamacare," the shutdown could end.

"The president's insistence on steamrolling ahead with this flawed program is irresponsible," said Boehner, R-Ohio.



my way or the highway? congress passed this law a few years ago. it's a law, because congress voted on it and passed it, and sent it to the prez to sign.
i know that the house voted 41 times to repeal it-all exercises in futility.
now, if anyone is exhibiting 'my way or the highway' thinking, it's people like boner and cruz. they have shutdown the entire govt because a portion of one branch of our govt doesn't like a law that was voted on, passed, and deemed constitutional.
all three branches passed this law. enough with the bs people!!!
and altho many don't like the law, most like the shutdown even less.

And held up by SCOTUS..Boner suffers from heat stroke, he needs to read that piece of paper he's aways waving around, the constitution:wf
Be sure to watch last nite's Stewart show,has it covered:D

Clip-Clop 10-04-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 947872)
Deranged lunatic or patriot?

Highly unexpected suspect? Clearly the lady had some issues.

Rudeboyelvis 10-04-2013 03:25 PM

Meanwhile, why not make some political hay -

>>> Barack Obama is having a lot of fun using the government shutdown to squeeze the public in imaginative ways. The point of the shutdown game is to see who can squeeze hardest, make the most pious speech and listen for the applause. It’s a variation on the grade-school ritual of “you show me yours, and I’ll show you mine.”.....

The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they’re only here to help.
“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
<<<








http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-of-the-game/

Rudeboyelvis 10-04-2013 04:47 PM

Repubs "shooting" themselves in the foot:


jms62 10-04-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 947998)
Repubs "shooting" themselves in the foot:


Now the important **** is getting cut. This thing will be resolved by Monday.

And more important stuff. Obama looking to convert military to Crips.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/milita...rticle/2536819

GenuineRisk 10-06-2013 03:39 AM

And in the throes of the shutdown, this article reminds me that the ACA, despite the attempt to provide health insurance for all, will still fail America in that, unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...are-8C11338371

Head-slapping section:

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“I don’t think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance,” says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho, who would rather pay the fine for now -- $95 the first year -- than signup.
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“I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage,” Collett said. “At some point where it would make financial sense to pay for insurance rather than pay fines, I will make the decision from a financial standpoint.”
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Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.
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Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered.
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But it’s “absolutely not okay,” that they are, Collett says quickly. “There are a lot of people out there that’ll cry foul."
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Collett, whose children are home-schooled, likens taking Medicaid to sending children to public school. He also does not approve of government-funded public schools. “The government is taking your money. They are spending it on things they shouldn’t be,” he says. “Trying to get whatever you can back -- I have nothing against that. You have to at some point try and get your tax dollars back.”
Ten kids whose health care is being paid for by the government. Listen, dude, whatever it is you think you're paying in taxes, believe me, you're costing the taxpayers a lot more than what you're paying in.

And he's running for the state legislature! Because nothing says "I hate government" more than "I want a government job."

Danzig 10-06-2013 10:30 AM

the kock bros are telling younger people that they'd be better off 'paying the fine'. yes, because it makes perfect sense to gamble that because one is young, they won't need insurance. nothing bad EVER happens to young people. :rolleyes:

my husband works at a place owned by them; they showed all the employees a video the other day about being taxed on good health policies-cadillac plans.

so, now the employees (including my husband) are up in arms...well, hubby isn't up in arms now, when i explained that the health care plan they offer him and his co-workers is NOT a cadillac plan by any stretch of the imagination.
but who's going to explain that to all his hourly co-workers?


back to the article just above....

how does this collett person say that the govt has no role, while stating that the 10 kids are on medicaid? if that isn't cognitive dissonance, i don't know what is!!

jms62 10-06-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 948218)
the kock bros are telling younger people that they'd be better off 'paying the fine'. yes, because it makes perfect sense to gamble that because one is young, they won't need insurance. nothing bad EVER happens to young people. :rolleyes:

my husband works at a place owned by them; they showed all the employees a video the other day about being taxed on good health policies-cadillac plans.

so, now the employees (including my husband) are up in arms...well, hubby isn't up in arms now, when i explained that the health care plan they offer him and his co-workers is NOT a cadillac plan by any stretch of the imagination.
but who's going to explain that to all his hourly co-workers?


back to the article just above....

how does this collett person say that the govt has no role, while stating that the 10 kids are on medicaid? if that isn't cognitive dissonance, i don't know what is!!

Didnt we have a few on these boards against Obama and those on the government dole while also receiving SSI? It is mind boggling that someone cannot make the connection like the guy in the story.

GenuineRisk 10-06-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948258)
Didnt we have a few on these boards against Obama and those on the government dole while also receiving SSI? It is mind boggling that someone cannot make the connection like the guy in the story.

Oh, Timm... whatever happened to him? I miss him. He was so very earnest in his postings of links to RedState.

I think the not-so-young gentleman in the article (what is he thinking? He's 41. Dude, your prostate is soon going to be doing things you're not going to be liking, if it isn't already) has persuaded himself that he pays more in taxes than he's getting back. A lot of people who get the EITC don't make the connection between the money that is taken out of their paychecks and the several thousand dollar check they get from the IRS in the spring. It doesn't occur to them that they are getting back everything they paid in taxes.

And they don't get inflation. People on Medicare now are getting far, far more out of it than they ever put in.

And I don't have an issue with this; I don't want him or his kids to starve, and I want old people to have some security in their declining years, but dude, at least show some appreciation for the fact that you live in a nation that has some kind of safety net and accept that you are depending on it. Those ain't your own bootstraps you're pulling yourself up by, because, without government aid, you ain't got no boots.

I am interested to hear Dell's thoughts on the man's family planning choices, seeing as how Dell has, in the past, expressed some strong opinions on poor urban families. ;)

Danzig 10-06-2013 07:05 PM

and the guy will probably go in a nursing home in his dotage, and medicaid will pay for it.
but the govt shouldn't be in health care, according to him.

dellinger63 10-06-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 948287)

I am interested to hear Dell's thoughts on the man's family planning choices, seeing as how Dell has, in the past, expressed some strong opinions on poor urban families. ;)

This guy is an example of why the government should not be involved in healthcare or childcare.

If we are to believe the story, here's a 'software designer' who makes under $9,500 dollars a year, ($95 dollars or 1% of all wages penalty) with 10 children and a wife. That comes to 182/week or $4.50 hour.

Why on earth would it be in the best interest of the country to force this man (he doesn't realize it but his insurance would be virtually free) into a policy that would offer any preventative care or for that matter even diagnostic testing, paid for by the hardworking, responsible taxpayer. The sooner he dies the better off the country.

Had this guy been financially responsible for the first child, or even the first few children on his own rather than receiving government support (actually tax-payer support) would he have ceased and desisted from having any more poorly bred offspring after the first few crops?

By rewarding poor judgment/decisions we tax good judgment/decisions. Kind of backwards dontcha think?

BTW something stinks about this story IMO.

Ocala Mike 10-07-2013 11:11 AM

govt shutdown looms
 
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 948323)


The sooner he dies the better off the country.

Death panel, far right style!


:eek::eek::eek::eek:

dellinger63 10-07-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 948344)
Death panel, far right style!


:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Not quite, just allowing nature to take its course.

It's illegal here to interfere with an injured deer. What damage is an injured deer going to do compared to the damage done by this guy's sperm?

He's so financially astute he can't even figure out he could double his salary by switching careers from program designer to Wal-Mart greeter.

Meanwhile the responsible taxpayer is expected to pick up the slack in yet more taxes and inflated healthcare costs, even if it's at the expense of providing a tutor, or in Obamaspeak pizza night, for his/her own kids.

No representation without taxation would be an ideal first step.

Danzig 10-07-2013 02:51 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...h_default.html

Ocala Mike 10-07-2013 04:38 PM

govt showdown looms
 
Unfortunately, I am in Rep. Yoho's district. He hates government, but couldn't wait to get into it, like the rest of the tea party crowd. He may, incidentally, be the only horse doctor in the legislature, but is certainly not the only horse's ass there.

bigrun 10-07-2013 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 948379)
Unfortunately, I am in Rep. Yoho's district. He hates government, but couldn't wait to get into it, like the rest of the tea party crowd. He may, incidentally, be the only horse doctor in the legislature, but is certainly not the only horse's ass there.

:D:tro:

jms62 10-07-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 948358)
Not quite, just allowing nature to take its course.

It's illegal here to interfere with an injured deer. What damage is an injured deer going to do compared to the damage done by this guy's sperm?

He's so financially astute he can't even figure out he could double his salary by switching careers from program designer to Wal-Mart greeter.

Meanwhile the responsible taxpayer is expected to pick up the slack in yet more taxes and inflated healthcare costs, even if it's at the expense of providing a tutor, or in Obamaspeak pizza night, for his/her own kids.

No representation without taxation would be an ideal first step.

His job would pay 6 figures in the Northeast and probably 3 times what he is making in Bangalore. You are right something is not right with that story.

Danzig 10-07-2013 07:47 PM

how in the world do some of these folks get elected?:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...ly_people.html

take note, that in the link i posted a few posts back, 'prioritizing' our debt is discussed-i hope anyone who is interested in this discussion reads that article.

dellinger63 10-07-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 948390)

take note, that in the link i posted a few posts back, 'prioritizing' our debt is discussed-i hope anyone who is interested in this discussion reads that article.

And likewise I hope everyone realizes we purposely spent billions destroying running vehicles because they used too much gas. :zz:

Needlessly increasing the value of used vehicles for those who purchase used vehicles. This was considered a good idea/program and we've been downhill ever since.

bigrun 10-08-2013 04:48 PM

Now they have gone too far:mad:...These idiots in Wash need a wake up call. Hold their pay and benefits..

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Mother of fallen soldier denied death benefits: 'I won't ever understand it'
http://www.today.com/news/shutdown-d...ers-8C11355842

joeydb 10-08-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 948395)
And likewise I hope everyone realizes we purposely spent billions destroying running vehicles because they used too much gas. :zz:

Needlessly increasing the value of used vehicles for those who purchase used vehicles. This was considered a good idea/program and we've been downhill ever since.

:tro::tro:

Danzig 10-08-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 948456)
Now they have gone too far:mad:...These idiots in Wash need a wake up call. Hold their pay and benefits..



http://www.today.com/news/shutdown-d...ers-8C11355842

i read this morning about more things that have stopped being processed because of the shutdown, including pay to next of kin of lost military members.
i read last week about the widow of a firefighter, who has had all benefits halted since the shutdown. she gave birth right after losing her husband. she's getting by on donations, etc.

dellinger63 10-08-2013 09:35 PM

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"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." Barack Obama March, 2006


http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma...he-Debt-Limit/

jms62 10-09-2013 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 948491)


http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._increase.html

dellinger63 10-09-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 948493)

A bit hollow when compared to

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies ie. (JUNKING PERFECTLY GOOD CARS ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING COSTS OF OTHER USED CARS :zz:). ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

randallscott35 10-09-2013 08:50 AM

So tired of both sides. Just default already.

dellinger63 10-09-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 948505)
So tired of both sides. Just default already.

I think it would be educational especially to seniors demonstrating America is out of cash and is unable to even survive month-to-month. We need a budget that resembles the money taken in. Actually we need a budget lower than what we're taking in in order to make a dent on the debt. We're spending like a crack whore with a stolen credit card. Without addressing the budget, there's no sense borrowing more money.

Obama not wanting to deal is similar to a trophy wife wanting her credit card back before she discussed any cutting back. Give them the money and neither is going to cut a thing.

We can't default so a 30-day supply of cash should be approved and revisited every 30 days until we get to a balanced budget.

jms62 10-09-2013 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 948504)
A bit hollow when compared to

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies ie. (JUNKING PERFECTLY GOOD CARS ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING COSTS OF OTHER USED CARS :zz:). ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

It seems that you have anointed Cash for Clunkers as Ground Zero for all that is wrong financially with this country. Get over it as it pales in comparison to the 2 unfunded wars by a wide margin. Cash for Clunkers is just another example of politicians catering to a special interest group. The program sucked for sure but the whole process of government catering to the special interests to the detriment of all of us is really the problem. Your need to place blame on one party when BOTH parties are equally culpable shows that you are locked in some fantasy world of good vs evil when the reality of the situation is that it is EVIL vs EVIL. Bloods vs Crips.

GenuineRisk 10-09-2013 09:26 AM



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