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ateamstupid 05-30-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930109)
First thing, great comeback by the Hawks.
I really believe that it's down to the 4 best teams. I'm still on the anyone but Pittsburgh bandwagon. I'm actually looking forward to the Bruins Pens series, should be excellent. Kings Hawks should be a barn burner too, but I just can't stay up that late for the west coast games. I'm thinking it's LA again this year, soley because of Jonathan Quick. He's ridiculously good.

As far as Torts go, I really think that they were going to bring him back. That was until Hank opened his mouth and made it seem like next year would be his last in NY, because he wouldn't be re-signing with the team after next season. That changed the whole dynamic of the situation and thankfully the front office realized they need Hank a hell of a lot more than Torts. I also think having a viable option such as Lindy Ruff on the market, made the move a lot easier to make (gotta think he's a favorite for the job). I honestly could have went either way on Torts, my gut would have been to let him stay one more year. But it sounds like the players (most notably Hank) were the cause of his demise. I'm not losing sleep either way. But whoever is in there next year is going to have to deal with very high expectations. This is a team that should go very deep into the playoffs.

Pretty much sums up how I feel. It wasn't a slam dunk either way with Torts staying or getting canned, there are arguments for both, but Lundqvist's "we'll see" got the front office shook and Hank signing an extension has to be the #1 priority. I'd like to see Tippett in for an interview but it sounds like Phoenix is trying hard to keep him off the market.

-BT- 05-30-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930120)
I feel the same way about Vigeault as you do about Ruff.
Not sure who you're talking about as being off the board. But I don't see Sather going with a reach here.
I know Ruff was in Buffalo forever, but I just don't think he really ever had the horses to win it all.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads


meaning they snag some up and coming coach from the AHL or something, ala Dallas Eakins.
Not sure why Tippett would want to leave that lax situation he's in in PHO for all the preasure in the world to win in NYC

paul maurice and marc crawford, gtfoh!!!!

would love love love love if they went for home run and signed Pierre McGuire, and got him out of the broadcasting booth!!!

-bt-

MaTH716 05-30-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930127)
meaning they snag some up and coming coach from the AHL or something, ala Dallas Eakins.
Not sure why Tippett would want to leave that lax situation he's in in PHO for all the preasure in the world to win in NYC

paul maurice and marc crawford, gtfoh!!!!

would love love love love if they went for home run and signed Pierre McGuire, and got him out of the broadcasting booth!!!

-bt-

That might be enough for me to start watching the WNBA.

ateamstupid 05-30-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930127)
meaning they snag some up and coming coach from the AHL or something, ala Dallas Eakins.
Not sure why Tippett would want to leave that lax situation he's in in PHO for all the preasure in the world to win in NYC

paul maurice and marc crawford, gtfoh!!!!

would love love love love if they went for home run and signed Pierre McGuire, and got him out of the broadcasting booth!!!

-bt-

Ownership situation is up in the air in PHX, his GM can barely go above the salary floor and he'd get to coach for fans that actually give a sh*t about hockey.

-BT- 05-30-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 930131)
Ownership situation is up in the air in PHX, his GM can barely go above the salary floor and he'd get to coach for fans that actually give a sh*t about hockey.

mo money mo problems....and aside from the ownership situation there, that team has made the playoffs a pretty good amount the last few years, and aint nobody on that rooster jumping off the paper at me.

means he's built a pretty good nucleus

* would someone inform Mike Keenan the rangers have availability already!!!!

-bt-

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-30-2013 01:10 PM

great win ..twice for the hawks..kings a different animal..would love a pens ,hawks cup series..

GBBob 05-30-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930132)
mo money mo problems....and aside from the ownership situation there, that team has made the playoffs a pretty good amount the last few years, and aint nobody on that rooster jumping off the paper at me.

means he's built a pretty good nucleus

* would someone inform Mike Keenan the rangers have availability already!!!!

-bt-

I think Joe Sacco could be a good candidate. I know Colorodo didn't set the world on fire, but they play a quick, uptempo style and had his player's respect.

MaTH716 05-30-2013 01:21 PM

The guy I want already has a job coaching the Flyers. I think he would be the ideal candidate.

-BT- 05-30-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 930140)
I think Joe Sacco could be a good candidate. I know Colorodo didn't set the world on fire, but they play a quick, uptempo style and had his player's respect.

this is the guy i don't get, the AVS go out of their way to pull him from obscurity, he did a decent job, yet gets canned b/c the youth movement can only do so much. Was Roy in the waiting when they initially hired Sacco?
b/c i don't hear this guys name ANYWHERE out there

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930141)
The guy I want already has a job coaching the Flyers. I think he would be the ideal candidate.

with the way that team is playing Lavy will be available by mid-season this year.

btw: totally forgot about this "off the board" idea

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...141636964.html

-bt-

MaTH716 05-30-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930143)
this is the guy i don't get, the AVS go out of their way to pull him from obscurity, he did a decent job, yet gets canned b/c the youth movement can only do so much. Was Roy in the waiting when they initially hired Sacco?
b/c i don't hear this guys name ANYWHERE out there



with the way that team is playing Lavy will be available by mid-season this year.

btw: totally forgot about this "off the board" idea

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...141636964.html

-bt-

I think Roy is just a cosmetic move to appease the fans. Almost like Messier would be if the Rangers totally bombed this year, failed miserably and the fans were out for blood. There would be nowhere to go but up and he probably wouldn't tarnish his image as the Messiah if things didn't work out. This is a team with some real talent and a realistic chance to go deep next season, it wouldn't be fair to put Messier in a spot like this. Remember what a disaster Bryan Trottier was? Many Rangers fans were happy to see him go down in flames, it would be much harder to swallow if that happened to Mess.

3kings 05-30-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930143)


with the way that team is playing Lavy will be available by mid-season this year.

btw: totally forgot about this "off the board" idea

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...141636964.html

-bt-

Easy with this cr@p. If you took King Henry off the Rangers they would be contending for the number one pick.

Rudeboyelvis 05-30-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930127)
meaning they snag some up and coming coach from the AHL or something, ala Dallas Eakins.

OMG!!! I got a stick from him when he played for the Baltimore Skipjacks back in the late '80's

Haven't heard that name in ages - first and only NHL player born in beautiful :rolleyes: Pasco County, FL.

Don't ask my why in the world I still have this.. name's tough to make out b/c its been taped over at least 600,000 times:


declansharbor 05-31-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930141)
The guy I want already has a job coaching the Flyers. I think he would be the ideal candidate.

One more year like this past one and he might be available for you guys.


Series of the playoffs so far was the SJ/LA, imo. Those boys were HITTIN' each other.

Great, great watch this postseason has been. Even though the Flyers got a big jump start on their golf swings.

docicu3 06-02-2013 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 930137)
great win ..twice for the hawks..kings a different animal..would love a pens ,hawks cup series..


Ouch.....B's played about as close to a perfect hockey game as has been seen opposite the Pens in a long long time. Boston has actually improved since the playoffs started. Give them credit for game 1, they just dominated.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-02-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 930431)
Ouch.....B's played about as close to a perfect hockey game as has been seen opposite the Pens in a long long time. Boston has actually improved since the playoffs started. Give them credit for game 1, they just dominated.

the pens just did not take advantage of the scoring ops early imo..the hawks looked good..fluke goal by l.a ..

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-02-2013 07:52 PM

kings have been taken apart early..

-BT- 06-03-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 930431)
Ouch.....B's played about as close to a perfect hockey game as has been seen opposite the Pens in a long long time. Boston has actually improved since the playoffs started. Give them credit for game 1, they just dominated.

really think people need to keep in mind the tomas vokoun factor.
guy has never been this far in the playoffs, and he's a plug for the le flour right now, i think the B's expose him big time this series

-bt-

MaTH716 06-03-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930554)
really think people need to keep in mind the tomas vokoun factor.
guy has never been this far in the playoffs, and he's a plug for the le flour right now, i think the B's expose him big time this series

-bt-

Kind of think the opposite, people go to sleep not knowing how good Rask is for the B's. He's the reason they stole game 1 in my eyes. He was excellent and got some help from the iron when needed. He outplayed Lundqvist early in that series and is off to another excellent start.

-BT- 06-03-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930556)
Kind of think the opposite, people go to sleep not knowing how good Rask is for the B's. He's the reason they stole game 1 in my eyes. He was excellent and got some help from the iron when needed. He outplayed Lundqvist early in that series and is off to another excellent start.

how do they go to sleep?
guy has been the starter all season for the B's, who have been a playoff caliber team all year. He's the one who made Tim Thomas expendable.
Vokoun just got the nod over the flower during the playoffs, and has never really been a low scoring goalie.
The pens might have a 100M offense and defense, but keep in mind they're playing with a back up between the pipes

-bt-

3kings 06-03-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930558)
how do they go to sleep?
guy has been the starter all season for the B's, who have been a playoff caliber team all year. He's the one who made Tim Thomas expendable.
Vokoun just got the nod over the flower during the playoffs, and has never really been a low scoring goalie.
The pens might have a 100M offense and defense, but keep in mind they're playing with a back up between the pipes

-bt-

I agree with this. Vokoun gave up a lot of juicy rebounds in the first two series that didn"t end up in the back of the net. Vokoun is especially bad when the puck gets around his feet. There will be plenty of goals scored in this series.

MaTH716 06-03-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930558)
how do they go to sleep?
guy has been the starter all season for the B's, who have been a playoff caliber team all year. He's the one who made Tim Thomas expendable.
Vokoun just got the nod over the flower during the playoffs, and has never really been a low scoring goalie.
The pens might have a 100M offense and defense, but keep in mind they're playing with a back up between the pipes

-bt-

I just feel like Rask flies under the radar and doesn't get his due.

Fluery was horrendous last year too, hence them getting Vokoun in the off-season. One he regained his playoff form of last season and couldn't stop a beach ball, Disco Dan made the right move going to Vokoun.

Danzig 06-03-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930554)
really think people need to keep in mind the tomas vokoun factor.
guy has never been this far in the playoffs, and he's a plug for the le flour right now, i think the B's expose him big time this series

-bt-

i agree. goalie vs goalie, i have to give the nod to rask over the old man. he got brought to washington last year, and just didn't do the trick. the goalie is definitely the weak point for the pens.



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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930566)
I just feel like Rask flies under the radar and doesn't get his due.

Fluery was horrendous last year too, hence them getting Vokoun in the off-season. One he regained his playoff form of last season and couldn't stop a beach ball, Disco Dan made the right move going to Vokoun.

rask has big skates to fill, and i think has done a great job doing so. he doesn't get the same respect as howard, crawford, quick...but does a great job.
and fleury is just so damned inpredictable. never thought he deserved a lot of the praise he got-but that's the penguins in a nutshell when it comes to coverage.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-03-2013 11:45 AM

they should start mark andre..its the spark they need..

MaTH716 06-03-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 930577)
they should start mark andre..its the spark they need..

Disagree, he's been terrible. Maybe if they lose game 2. But I leave Vokoun in for now. Can't win if you don't score.

-BT- 06-03-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 930564)
I agree with this. Vokoun gave up a lot of juicy rebounds in the first two series that didn"t end up in the back of the net. Vokoun is especially bad when the puck gets around his feet. There will be plenty of goals scored in this series.


puck just hops off his pads, got to see that first hand in DC, where he was the starter the majority of the year only ride the pine come playoffs.
AND
he's a wrong handed goalie, hate'm, they weird me out. When i'm shooting high glove as a right handed shot i want to be shooting over your glove not your blocker, they're freak shows those wrong handers.

keith ballard reacts to vokoun's rebound control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3sPQ0jH_g


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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930579)
Disagree, he's been terrible. Maybe if they lose game 2. But I leave Vokoun in for now. Can't win if you don't score.

regardless of how many goals they score, if the pens lose tonight i think there's a very good chance they kick the tires again on the flower... at home

-bt-

MaTH716 06-03-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930585)
puck just hops off his pads, got to see that first hand in DC, where he was the starter the majority of the year only ride the pine come playoffs.
AND
he's a wrong handed goalie, hate'm, they weird me out. When i'm shooting high glove as a right handed shot i want to be shooting over your glove not your blocker, they're freak shows those wrong handers.

keith ballard reacts to vokoun's rebound control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3sPQ0jH_g




regardless of how many goals they score, if the pens lose tonight i think there's a very good chance they kick the tires again on the flower... at home
-bt-

????

-BT- 06-03-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930586)
????

sorry i forgot they had home ice...


-bt-

Danzig 06-03-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 930577)
they should start mark andre..its the spark they need..

not sure that would spark them. others play better when they know the goalie has their back. vokoun is their best chance to win....which should be a real concern for them!

and crosby elbowing rask, and then jawing at chara-not the brightest candle on the cake...

MaTH716 06-03-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 930592)
not sure that would spark them. others play better when they know the goalie has their back. vokoun is their best chance to win....which should be a real concern for them!

and crosby elbowing rask, and then jawing at chara-not the brightest candle on the cake...

Disagree 100% and I despise Crosby. He's trying to rile up Rask and doing his job as leader by not backing down against one of the biggest and badest mofo's in the league. Everything you want and need as Captain.

rpncaine 06-03-2013 02:35 PM

Thought I saw a tweet earlier where the Pens called up a goalie. That's gotta give the one's they have a lot of confidence!

Danzig 06-03-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930593)
Disagree 100% and I despise Crosby. He's trying to rile up Rask and doing his job as leader by not backing down against one of the biggest and badest mofo's in the league. Everything you want and need as Captain.

oh, i know his intent. but i don't see him being the one to actually tangle with chara and spark his teammates. i'm sure the pens have enforcers for that.

Danzig 06-03-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 930595)
Thought I saw a tweet earlier where the Pens called up a goalie. That's gotta give the one's they have a lot of confidence!

haven't seen that they called one up, but vokoun is their starter for game 2. no line changes apparently either....

MaTH716 06-03-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 930595)
Thought I saw a tweet earlier where the Pens called up a goalie. That's gotta give the one's they have a lot of confidence!

That could just be some kind of roster technicality so he could practice with the team. I'm pretty sure that it's a non-event.

rpncaine 06-03-2013 02:41 PM

Recalled G Jeff Zatkoff from @WBSPenguins. He was team MVP during reg season after going 26-20

-BT- 06-03-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930593)
Disagree 100% and I despise Crosby. He's trying to rile up Rask and doing his job as leader by not backing down against one of the biggest and badest mofo's in the league. Everything you want and need as Captain.

people with glass jaws shouldn't throw stones......at the biggest man in the NHL

* was the slash on seguin at the end of the game, and the 1+ plus of lip service he gave the ref setting the tone for game 2? The whole team is filled with babies, from mario on down, never seen a team cry wolf so many times in my life. And if Crosby, mr. all world needs to get under Raask's skin in game 1 of this series that should shed some light on how he values his teams chances

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 930600)
Recalled G Jeff Zatkoff from @WBSPenguins. He was team MVP during reg season after going 26-20

i believe that annoying ass clown doc emerik mentioned on sat. that WSB just got knocked out of the AHL playoffs so it's nothing more than a free call up and practice with the team

-bt-

golfer 06-03-2013 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 930604)
people with glass jaws shouldn't throw stones......at the biggest man in the NHL

* was the slash on seguin at the end of the game, and the 1+ plus of lip service he gave the ref setting the tone for game 2? The whole team is filled with babies, from mario on down, never seen a team cry wolf so many times in my life. And if Crosby, mr. all world needs to get under Raask's skin in game 1 of this series that should shed some light on how he values his teams chances



i believe that annoying ass clown doc emerik mentioned on sat. that WSB just got knocked out of the AHL playoffs so it's nothing more than a free call up and practice with the team

-bt-

The top play by player in ALL SPORTS is an Ass Clown? Please expand further?

3kings 06-03-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 930593)
Disagree 100% and I despise Crosby. He's trying to rile up Rask and doing his job as leader by not backing down against one of the biggest and badest mofo's in the league. Everything you want and need as Captain.

Stop it. He's a whiner and the only time he came close to Chara is after the ref/linesman was between them. If the Bruins are smart they will keep going after Crosby and Malkin. The more they whine the more undisiplined they become and the worse they play. An inferior Flyer team with a sieve for a goalie beat them last year using those tactics.

Danzig 06-03-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 930605)
The top play by player in ALL SPORTS is an Ass Clown? Please expand further?

doc emrick is the top play by play announcer? yikes.

i don't like him at all, and wish he and milbury would both go the way of the dodo.

-BT- 06-03-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 930605)
The top play by player in ALL SPORTS is an Ass Clown? Please expand further?

seth, i know you're down b/c the TBD meet just ended, but ANY announcer who’s voice can be replicated by simply pinching your nose and talking, i refuse to endorse as the best.

doc in the 80's early 90's sure, very knowledgeable. Today, you just keep hearing him talk about the old days, peoples fathers and tiger williams....... and when the fans are lucky enough to get a break from his nails on a chalkboard voice, it's filled with what i expect to be ANYTHING better, i'm given Pierre McGuire's "everything that is JR hockey" opinion, which makes me want to jump out of my 2nd story window, climb up to my nearest CTA red line and ask the next train that passith by my window to strike me down.

i would rather watch games on FOX with no sound and the laser beam puck tracker in standard def....then listen to doc emrick

http://gahdengremlins.com/post/11100...-drinking-game


-bt-

golfer 06-03-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 930609)
doc emrick is the top play by play announcer? yikes.

i don't like him at all, and wish he and milbury would both go the way of the dodo.

Well, I guess it's a Caps fan thing then, because I have watched/listened to him work for well over 20 years (skipping his Flyer days), and no one else comes close to his preparation, knowledge, and true love and respect for the game and it's players. Every network save ESPN has called on him to be their #1 Play by Play guy, so it's not just me. He and John Davidson were the best duo EVER, any sport, IMO.

Milbury is as big a clown as a broadcaster as he was a GM, polar opposite of Emerick.


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