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Danzig 04-19-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 924392)
He's in Federal custody (MA does not have the death penalty)and hasn't been marandized..His father is flying in from Russia and pleads to his son to tell all...

Far as I know, as long as he is willing to talk they dont have to mirandize him. Soon as he says lawyer, that's pretty much it.

Danzig 04-19-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko699 (Post 924395)
Ok, that clears that up, sheesh.

Look, I'm in the middle of the Ozarks, on my phone. Go look it up, I don't have recourse to cite sources right now. Besides, I think this guy will give up everything he knows.

jocko699 04-19-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 924397)
Look, I'm in the middle of the Ozarks, on my phone. Go look it up, I don't have recourse to cite sources right now. Besides, I think this guy will give up everything he knows.

I am in the middle of the US and retired military. You go look up what answers we can get. Oops, forgot you can't get that info.

Danzig 04-19-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko699 (Post 924398)
I am in the middle of the US and retired military. You go look up what answers we can get. Oops, forgot you can't get that info.

I'm travelling. On hwy 5 in the middle of nowhere. Oh, and former military too. Thanks for your service.

geeker2 04-19-2013 09:39 PM

Zig I suggest you stop at the nearest bar and celebrate :tro:

Alabama Stakes 04-19-2013 09:52 PM

Got him
 
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 924397)
Look, I'm in the middle of the Ozarks, on my phone. Go look it up, I don't have recourse to cite sources right now. Besides, I think this guy will give up everything he knows.



are you heading out to see the Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Jackie Blue ?


Boston Police will have no problem making him talk. Hell they beat confessions out of innocent guys if the need arises. A guy who did it shouldn't be a problem

bigrun 04-19-2013 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 924396)
Far as I know, as long as he is willing to talk they dont have to mirandize him. Soon as he says lawyer, that's pretty much it.

They arrested him and invoked some federal statute that allows bypassing Miranda...but not clear if they can use anything he says...

Danzig 04-19-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 924404)
They arrested him and invoked some federal statute that allows bypassing Miranda...but not clear if they can use anything he says...

sure they can. just ask the underwear bomber.

can you imagine, being referred to as the underwear bomber??



good idea, geeker!! so glad they got him. and not often that cops are heroes and get cheers and applause!

and bama......who?! tony and i bought 42 acres on bull shoals, so going up for the wknd

Danzig 04-19-2013 10:07 PM

i just hope that if anyone else was involved that they get them too. dont need loose ends that could cause problems down the road.

PeteMugg 04-19-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 924402)
are you heading out to see the Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Jackie Blue ?


Boston Police will have no problem making him talk. Hell they beat confessions out of innocent guys if the need arises. A guy who did it shouldn't be a problem

OMD had so much good music, but I never understood the love for Jackie Blue.

Alabama Stakes 04-20-2013 10:52 AM

kind of that eerie sounding wa wa of the guitar made it such an FM fave. First time I heard a whole album I was blown away. Just another underrated tight band from the 70's

Danzig 04-21-2013 10:02 AM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...s_brother.html

GenuineRisk 04-21-2013 01:33 PM

This is a very brief history of Miranda v. Arizona:

http://crime.about.com/od/police/a/miranda_rights.htm

Essentially, the right to remain silent is not waived if Tsarnaev is not read the Miranda (a right exists independent of whether a person is aware of it); it just means in this case it would then be up to a judge to decide if any information he gave prior to him being informed of those rights covered in the Miranda is admissible in court (I think, but I am not a lawyer, that without the public safety clause being exercised, any information he gave prior to being read the Miranda would automatically not be admissible). The Miranda is just about making sure a suspect is aware of his or her right against self-incrimination.

But in this case it sounds like a non-issue. The public safety exception has a 48 hour limit, which will more than have expired by the time this kid is capable of speaking, and it sounds like there is so much other evidence against him that anything he says will not affect the prosecution's case anyway.

bigrun 04-21-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 924652)
This is a very brief history of Miranda v. Arizona:

http://crime.about.com/od/police/a/miranda_rights.htm

Essentially, the right to remain silent is not waived if Tsarnaev is not read the Miranda (a right exists independent of whether a person is aware of it); it just means in this case it would then be up to a judge to decide if any information he gave prior to him being informed of those rights covered in the Miranda is admissible in court (I think, but I am not a lawyer, that without the public safety clause being exercised, any information he gave prior to being read the Miranda would automatically not be admissible). The Miranda is just about making sure a suspect is aware of his or her right against self-incrimination.

But in this case it sounds like a non-issue. The public safety exception has a 48 hour limit, which will more than have expired by the time this kid is capable of speaking, and it sounds like there is so much other evidence against him that anything he says will not affect the prosecution's case anyway.

Here's something on Miranda in this case..

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The Obama administration has announced that it will employ the little-used public-safety exception to question Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev without reading him his Miranda rights.

It’s an uncommon justification that the FBI explains dates back to September 11, 1980, and involves neutralizing remaining threats to public safety before “Mirandizing” a suspect.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/20/ho...#ixzz2R7mtEBqO

Danzig 04-21-2013 04:59 PM

i saw something about lindsey graham wanting to suspend the constitution in this guys case.

just like pryor said, you do not have to pass an iq test to be senator.

bigrun 04-21-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 924713)
i saw something about lindsey graham wanting to suspend the constitution in this guys case.

just like pryor said, you do not have to pass an iq test to be senator.


Typical of that half a sissy from SC...Will i get darted for posting the stuff below?..:D


Quote:

The reason Politicians try so
hard to get re-elected is that they
would 'hate' to have to try to make a
living under the laws they've passed.

and how true is this.:tro:
Quote:

"I think Congressmen should wear uniforms,
you know, like NASCAR drivers, so we could
identify their corporate sponsors."

Danzig 04-21-2013 07:56 PM

read earlier that he has a throat wound, and cannot talk.mm


my husband said wouldnt it be something if they charged him for running over his brother. no honor among thieves.....or bombers it would seem.

bigrun 04-21-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 924772)
read earlier that he has a throat wound, and cannot talk.mm


my husband said wouldnt it be something if they charged him for running over his brother. no honor among thieves.....or bombers it would seem.

Yeah, throat and leg and can't talk...yet...heavily guarded of course...

Danzig 04-21-2013 09:36 PM

of course. keep him under watch, and make sure there are no jack ruby wannabes.

Danzig 04-21-2013 10:35 PM

just got home a bit ago from our weekend trip...unpacked, etc. just now saw an article that says the guy is answering questions in writing, that his throat wound may have been from a suicide attempt.

highlights of the weekend--friday night finding out they got the guy. saturday, got our sewage taken care of up there. today? saw an osprey overhead, beautiful bird (last time visited by a bald eagle).

declansharbor 04-22-2013 01:30 PM

Well Glenn Beck, today is monday! Where you at?:rolleyes:

bigrun 04-22-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 924845)
Well Glenn Beck, today is monday! Where you at?:rolleyes:

Has a talk radio show somewhere...I miss him, provided Stewart with many funny bits and i miss the laughs.:D

declansharbor 04-22-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 924847)
Has a talk radio show somewhere...I miss him, provided Stewart with many funny bits and i miss the laughs.:D

He said that he had evidence that the Obama Administration played a part in the Marathon bombing and gave them until today to come clean or else.

http://silverdoctors.com/glenn-beck-...an-inside-job/.

bigrun 04-22-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 924849)
He said that he had evidence that the Obama Administration played a part in the Marathon bombing and gave them until today to come clean or else.

http://silverdoctors.com/glenn-beck-...an-inside-job/.

:D:D Hiliarous...Think i'll send that link to Stewart..

Danzig 04-22-2013 02:59 PM

i'm sure this is exactly the kind of hard-hitting journalism the founding fathers had in mind when they came up with 'freedom of the 'press'...:rolleyes:


but, i guess if people can say missiles brought down the world trade center and slammed the pentagon, people can say this was a govt job (to what end??) as well....

yeah, cause like rosie o'donnell said, steel doesn't melt. :zz:

Danzig 04-22-2013 03:03 PM

oh, and jocko...these are for you:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...-co-2009-09-21

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1353449

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/th.../2010/nov/04/2

plenty more available out there.

Danzig 04-22-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 924850)
:D:D Hiliarous...Think i'll send that link to Stewart..

i read some of the comments under the article-unreal.

bigrun 04-22-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 924876)
i read some of the comments under the article-unreal.

:zz: said a million times, too many nuts in this country..

Rupert Pupkin 04-23-2013 02:33 AM

Did you guys see that the older brother is a suspect in an unsolved triple murder that took place in 2011?

http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bomb-su...opstories.html

Danzig 04-23-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 924897)
Did you guys see that the older brother is a suspect in an unsolved triple murder that took place in 2011?

http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bomb-su...opstories.html

saw that yesterday.


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