yeah, and there are also plenty of places paying out tons of overtime as well. it's so simple! :rolleyes: and since it's so easy to get by on $320 a week before taxes, surely you could save up every bit of that overtime.

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

Hey Greece invented sex. Though admittedly other countries introduced it to women.

Sorry I know that was bad.

The ones that do not buy into "austerity". See double-dip recession, England.

The world economy was tanked by the possessors of most of the money being reckless. That's pretty simply and apparent, no? LIBOR?

Specific countries, please with facts and figures about how well they are doing financially.

Yea all of those Patels and Singhs who started in dives and gas stations getting robbed weekly and now own branded hotels and petroleum centers are just front men for guys like Romney. :zz:

America: we could choose to invest in ourselves, in a good life for all of us (except I truly think we feel too guilty to do so, due to our crazy Puritan religious roots) for our country, or continue with "not". Continue to be angry, resentful, selfish, hoarding, envious, class-religion-color-stratified ...

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...s-communities/

World Happiness Report
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2960

Read a newspaper.

What specifically are you looking for? You denying the fact that the available money in the (free) world has never been more stratified to the possession of an upper class of elite that run our governments and banks, set their own interest rates and own the laws? You think that is not true?

Look at the larger picture - you're down in the weeds of "which economies are specifically doing well and by how many dollars" That wasn't my point.

She must be talking about France as they have the model she loves, though I think it is arguable that France is a first world country.

lol
your leaps of imagination are rather amusing. how do you do it? you take a comment and just run with it in your own direction. exactly how do you infer any of that from what i wrote?

and when I get time I'll find the story of an American woman in her 30's who after leaving her husband for beating the crap out of her, moved into a shelter and began real estate school. After working as a broker for 10 yrs.

She and her son started a real estate development company and have probably built 5K condos starting at 300K not to mention hotels and a resort.

So it can be done here. But why work when you can beg, borrow and steal.

You said it was impossible to live on minimum wage and save. If you go back a page you'll find a story of a runaway who began with $500 f'n dollars and now owns the old Eisenhower Airforce Base in Key West just to name one property. It is possible to save.

It might not be possible with a car, cable, a cell phone, designer shoes, a big screen TV, even healthcare etc but it's possible.

no, i didn't say that. you need to slow down, read more carefully, and not put words in peoples' mouths. you can't take what people post and twist it-well, i know you do it, but it doesn't help your argument when you do that.

You said other countries have better ways of life for their citizens, I would like to know if any of those countries with all the happy people that do not have to work very hard are doing well financially. I choose not to read a newspaper to prove your point, I would like you to prove your point.
If we need to sacrifice what remains of this once great country for everyone to be happy I would like to see the future represented in one of the many countries you are suggesting we emulate.
Please?

If you put a :zz: in your post it proves you are right and everyone else is a boob no matter how inconceivable (100+ people with less than $30 bucks to making over a million a year). Didn't you know that?

I already provided two links for you to review, regarding what I was talking about, and the other countries I am referencing.

YOU changed the subject completely to a new topic, "which of these countries are currently operating on a stable economy", which is not anything I was discussing.

no, i didn't. i'll try to keep that in mind in future.

Our forefathers WALKED west thousands of miles for opportunity and jobs yet some people today don't want a job if it requires being on your feet too long or God forbid taking more than one bus. Too easy to demand someone else pay for it.

Hate, envy and demonizing the other are a piss-poor way to live a life, or run a country.

SO as long as the quality of life for citizens is good, the effect on the economy is irrelevant. Got it, thank you.

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...of-california/

My sister-in-law runs this program, not sure what it has to do with other countries. People in that area tend to be very happy as long as they are wealthy.
The poor seem to be some of the worst I have seen outside of Baltimore.

No. That's not what I said at all, and you know it.

I was discussing overall quality of life and opportunity in various countries, and I provided two links for you to read regarding what I was discussing. And that certainly includes how economies approportion their income to their citizens.

You clearly didn't read the links, and do not understand what I am talking about.

YOU, instead, have changed the subject to current specific economic conditions in various countries, and are angry I'm not spoon-feeding you subject material on something I didn't bring up?

No. Get your head into the right conversation.

I'm talking about Blue Zones in all the countries of the world, not just Loma Linda. I am talking about overall quality of life in a country, of a people, including the World Happiness Quotient/Measure, not only focusing on one's income.

I am talking about what countries can use their income (taxes, money) to do for their citizens, and what we as the citizens should choose to spend our combined societal money upon, to gain a better country for everyone in it.

We, in America, have gone into massive debt to fight wars. Imagine if we, instead over those eight years, had used that money on us: our education, technology, alleviating poverty, making life in the US better for all of us, by measures that are proven to provide good quality of life and happiness in many other places in the world. Ensuring all Americans have health care, food, shelter, education, thus opportunity to live and work in a fulfilling, happy life with free time, relaxation, family.

That's pretty cool about your sister-in-law, she works at the hospital in Loma Linda? Or for Blue Zone Project? What "program" does she run?

10th in the avg. life satisfaction, that is pretty solid I'd say. Considering that Costa Rica and Ireland are ranked ahead of us.

Average happiness yesterday we are 6th!! Once again somehow below Ireland...
I am beginning to doubt the validity of this study, the Irish are a notoriously unhappy people.

She runs Beach Cities Health District as CMO. Video below.

http://sciencestage.com/v/61490/blue...blue-zone.html

The overall picture in America now has become one of an extremely stratified and class-oriented society, with only a few people owning most of the money, wages stagnant for decades, and half our country in fear and relative poverty. We have the highest rates of murder, no national health care, education has become unaffordable. We are angry, jealous, selfish, vindictive ....

This country deserves better. What makes citizens happy? We are one of the richest countries in the world - why don't we give ourselves the best lives possible?

Can you imagine what a great life it would be, to not have to worry that becoming ill or having an accident will take all your hard-earned savings, or your house, everything you've worked hard for, and put you into poverty, starvation, loss? Not to have to worry that if you develop a scary lump, you don't get medical care because you don't have enough money to see a doctor?

Freedom from worry about health is just one element that makes a countries citizens happy and productive, living good, long lives. There are other factors.

We, in America, can do far, far better along that front than we do now. We could have everyone covered for health care. We could have a easily livable minimum wage where your work supports eating and housing. We could have readily available education, tech school for anyone who wanted it, as far as they wanted to work and grow. We could have thriving, innovative, upwardly-mobile jobs. We could have families readily supported on 40-hour work weeks. Time for spending time with family, vacations, retirement. People could afford decent housing on one salary.

Life is for enjoyment. For living.

We have had that before in America, for brief periods of time. Now, AGAIN, we simply have to choose it. Other countries are doing it. We can, too.

Thanks! Love the TED talks, and her's was great. Plus, that's exactly what I am talking about - I agree with her entirely. She is talking primarily about the medical viewpoint, but it's all the same "environment"

Yes, we need to change our environment: and we, as the collective society known as America, who elects our government to do our wishes, can choose to do that. In America we control our own destiny. We can choose to make basic food and basic shelter a given: affordable via a minimum wage that is livable. We can choose that health care will never be a concern for any of us, it's a given.

If your food, shelter and healthcare are a given, that will never be unavailable to you, or out of financial reach - imagine the freedom from worry, the enabling that's available for you to soar - to study, learn, create, make a business, enjoy your family, etc. To enjoy living a life.

Why don't we, America, choose to make this our societal norm? It's crazy!

PS - getting back to the subject of the thread ... speculation that Harry Reid's source regarding Romney's tax returns will go public on his own 1 day before the GOP convention starts, taking all the media wind out of the GOP convention.

Should McCain release Romney's tax returns?

I like the third one the best..:D

You would have been great back in the Nazi Germany days. Hitler loved conveying a message via a child's cartoon. Find a way to show your thoughts through verbiage. Or may I suggest nickelodean.com.

BTW Political cartoons started because of a language barrior. I again apologize if ur IQ falls behind Chicago's high temp today which, I think was 84?

Appreciation of political cartoons takes a certain sophistication of knowledge of the subject, the broadness of mind to appreciate satire, combined with an ability to laugh at oneself and others.

U doan hav it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news/p...gn_slurs_.html


That brings us to Harry Reid’s yarn about a “Bain investor” who told him that Romney “didn’t pay any taxes for 10 years.” The entire professional fact-check squad has called Reid a liar while admitting that he may not actually be a liar. “Without seeing Romney’s taxes, we cannot definitively prove Reid incorrect,” wrote the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler. “But tax experts say his claim is highly improbable.”

and further down:

We have not evolved highly enough to gaze into Harry Reid’s mind, but we can make an assumption: He wanted the media to ask more questions about tax laws that favor the rich. That’s a policy dispute, folks. It’s at the center of Barack Obama’s campaign. It’s a major Republican critique of the first three years of the president’s term: Why didn’t he take tax reform seriously when Bowles-Simpson asked him to?

that's a valid question imo. all these things, tied to the economy that obama said was his 'first priority'...and yet, it wasn't.

Obama made these remarks today. Maybe I'm going senile but it is the same pablum that he spewed and suckered me in on 4 years ago.. He has done nothing of the sort.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...ng-131566.html

"He made the remarks while pushing for the renewal of a tax credit for wind energy manufacturing – something Romney opposes – and for the creation of credits for companies who bring jobs home from overseas, as well as the elimination of loopholes for offshoring.
“Gov. Romney brags about his private sector experience, but it was mostly invested in companies, some of which were called 'pioneers of outsourcing,'” Obama said. “I don’t want to be a pioneer of outsourcing. I want to insource.”

yeah, i read earlier where he said 'he has a plan' to grow jobs. well? we're waiting?! makes one wonder why he's holding us in suspense. hell, he shoulda trotted that thing out a while ago, maybe people wouldn't be bitching about unemployment figures now!

Guess you missed that trot out.

Really, some of you folks oughta watch TV or read a newspaper once in a while. Good grief.

Harry Reid's source may be revealed right before GOP convention, taking all the wind out of GOP sails and owning media with bad stories about Romney.

Journalists have ferreted out that Bain-Mormon source verifying Mitt has paid no taxes for 10 years could be Jon Huntsman's father.

And chooses Jeff Immelt to help him with the jobs scenario...

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1549/text

This? Please.

Yeah, we should all get our news from such fair and unbiased sources such as dailykos and Jon Stewart. :rolleyes:

What she said...think dell will like this one...:D....that corpse trying to vote looks like the pain remover..:)