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Powderfinger 06-08-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 866946)
WTF did the dentention barn have to do with it?

OK. My post was a gut reaction. I don't really know if it really had anything to do with it but I've read from O'Neil saying that IHA must have... "whacked himself". The horse was in an enviroment that the trainer didn't want him to be.
You seem like a gambling man. I'll bet you $100 that Belmont doesn't do the detention barn thing again for the Belmont Stakes. Are we on?

HaloWishingwell 06-08-2012 11:57 AM

The trainers have complained from the very beginning about the detention barn. To stick 12 horses into tight confines. Who's not to say he got whacked by another horse or spooked by one. Hopefully it is not the case but I guess the press conference will reveal more.

Coach Pants 06-08-2012 12:00 PM

Yeah it's not out of the realm of possibility. I know that WHAS had AP audio of Dale Romans b.itching about how crowded it was. 3 to 4 employees for one horse.

Danzig 06-08-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 867028)
This doesn't sound good.

He does not have the stallion credentials I look for at all...but someone will still pay, I guess.

that was the part that caught my eye. why does this spell the end for his career??? he's not a highly bred horse. i haven't seen the clamor for him like i have in the past with other horses...so why would may of his 3 yo season be the end?

Danzig 06-08-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Powderfinger (Post 867033)
OK. My post was a gut reaction. I don't really know if it really had anything to do with it but I've read from O'Neil saying that IHA must have... "whacked himself". The horse was in an enviroment that the trainer didn't want him to be.
You seem like a gambling man. I'll bet you $100 that Belmont doesn't do the detention barn thing again for the Belmont Stakes. Are we on?

he probably rapped himself on the track during his gallop.

pointman 06-08-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 867009)
Still plan on using the day pass (they are too hard to come by), so hopefully I'll see you tommorrow.

No doubt, I will be there, we will meet up.

declansharbor 06-08-2012 12:11 PM

Was the advanced wagering already taking place prior to the news breaking? That would be a n eat little ticket to have. :o

Rudeboyelvis 06-08-2012 12:14 PM

This guy can't possibly contain himself


smartbid09 06-08-2012 12:23 PM

I can't help but Think how Mr. Zayat must feel

TBJUNKY 06-08-2012 12:26 PM

they just announced he will be retired

OldDog 06-08-2012 12:30 PM

I guess this asshat is happy.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mor...-triple-crown/

Thoroughbred Fan 06-08-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 867037)
that was the part that caught my eye. why does this spell the end for his career??? he's not a highly bred horse. i haven't seen the clamor for him like i have in the past with other horses...so why would may of his 3 yo season be the end?

Bowed tendon....that is normally the end whether they race again or not.

HaloWishingwell 06-08-2012 12:30 PM

You can catch the video on ESPN. Jeannine Edwards says that Kenny McPeek believes the injury took place in his stall. He heard when IHA vioilently kicked a bucket in his stall. I guess the detention barn was to his liking:rolleyes:

Calzone Lord 06-08-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell (Post 867056)
You can catch the video on ESPN. Jeannine Edwards says that Kenny McPeek believes the injury took place in his stall. He heard when IHA vioilently kicked a bucket in his stall. I guess the detention barn was to his liking:rolleyes:

Violently kicked a bucket with his left front leg?

HaloWishingwell 06-08-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 867060)
Violently kicked a bucket with his left front leg?

check the video feed yourself....this is what is being said and it comes from McPeek who witnessed it.

MaTH716 06-08-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Powderfinger (Post 867033)
OK. My post was a gut reaction. I don't really know if it really had anything to do with it but I've read from O'Neil saying that IHA must have... "whacked himself". The horse was in an enviroment that the trainer didn't want him to be.
You seem like a gambling man. I'll bet you $100 that Belmont doesn't do the detention barn thing again for the Belmont Stakes. Are we on?

No deal. Chances are, that if you continue to make asinine comments like your original one, you'll be darted before next years Belmont anyway.

RockHardTen1985 06-08-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Powderfinger (Post 867033)
OK. My post was a gut reaction. I don't really know if it really had anything to do with it but I've read from O'Neil saying that IHA must have... "whacked himself". The horse was in an enviroment that the trainer didn't want him to be.
You seem like a gambling man. I'll bet you $100 that Belmont doesn't do the detention barn thing again for the Belmont Stakes. Are we on?

Ill speak for him. Yes.

RockHardTen1985 06-08-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 867068)
No deal. Chances are, that if you continue to make asinine comments like your original one, you'll be darted before next years Belmont anyway.

Forget it.

HaloWishingwell 06-08-2012 12:42 PM

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/trip...t-trainer-says

Phalaris1913 06-08-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 867060)
Violently kicked a bucket with his left front leg?

For what it's worth, though I couldn't tell you if it was under remotely similar circumstances, my TB narrowly avoided a serious tendon injury doing something foolish that involved a waterer and a front leg.

ScottJ 06-08-2012 12:49 PM

Last night in Andy Serling's online chat, I specifically asked if Andy felt or had heard any backstretch news about the impact of the detention barn or that any horses had not taken well to the environment. Andy said that although this was not his domain, he had heard nothing and was hopeful that things would continue to be quiet.

Now, one just has to think that the detention barn issue did have nothing to do with this injury based on reports right now. If nothing else, this has put the industry in a positive light with the volume of attention these animals received. Some doubters will suggest that you need the same protections for a $5,000 claimer on a Tuesday afternoon in November, however this time, the sport is being shown "at its responsible best".

Antitrust32 06-08-2012 12:53 PM

much better this was caught and solved so we did not have another big brown type of situation.

Though the race is about 3 million times less exciting now.

Go Cherie and Street Life!

MaTH716 06-08-2012 12:54 PM

NYRA ‏@NYRAnews
I'll Have Another and jockey Mario Gutierrez will lead the Belmont Stakes Post Parade on Saturday

Riot 06-08-2012 12:54 PM

Well, that's a shame. Condolences to the connections. Some heat and minor inflammation in a tendon. Glad they caught it, very sorry to see the horse out. I doubt they'd be willing to rest him and bring him back next year. Too bad. We'll never know how good this one could be.

pointman 06-08-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 867060)
Violently kicked a bucket with his left front leg?

:tro:

Calzone Lord 06-08-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Phalaris1913 (Post 867081)
For what it's worth, though I couldn't tell you if it was under remotely similar circumstances, my TB narrowly avoided a serious tendon injury doing something foolish that involved a waterer and a front leg.

It's possible I suppose, but sounds unlikely.

This is from long-time Roger Stein show sidekick Aaron Hesz:


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Rumor has it that Doug's vet flew out after the Preakness and treated his shins with Tildren and that he had not been doing well since the race....

You have a guy on Youtube who looks like a backstretch worker, more than 3 days ago, saying he had heard "a rumor of a concussion injury on one of his front legs by the workers of I'll Have Another's barn that might open the possibility of him being scratched at the Belmont Stakes."

I'd believe that before I'd believe the horse got hurt kicking at a bucket with his left front leg.

Coach Pants 06-08-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 867090)
NYRA ‏@NYRAnews
I'll Have Another and jockey Mario Gutierrez will lead the Belmont Stakes Post Parade on Saturday

Wow. It's a funeral procession.

Danzig 06-08-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan (Post 867055)
Bowed tendon....that is normally the end whether they race again or not.

so it is bowed? well, that is a lot different than the 'start of tendinitis' i read about earlier.

joeydb 06-08-2012 01:02 PM

This sucks!

ateamstupid 06-08-2012 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottJ (Post 867084)
Last night in Andy Serling's online chat, I specifically asked if Andy felt or had heard any backstretch news about the impact of the detention barn or that any horses had not taken well to the environment. Andy said that although this was not his domain, he had heard nothing and was hopeful that things would continue to be quiet.

Now, one just has to think that the detention barn issue did have nothing to do with this injury based on reports right now. If nothing else, this has put the industry in a positive light with the volume of attention these animals received. Some doubters will suggest that you need the same protections for a $5,000 claimer on a Tuesday afternoon in November, however this time, the sport is being shown "at its responsible best".

I completely disagree with this. Positive light? The NYSRWB basically said to the world that this sport is so corrupt and cheating is so rampant, none of the trainers of the best 3-year-old horses in the country could even be trusted to cook oats for their horses 72 hours before the race. How could that possibly be construed positively by an outsider?

Riot 06-08-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 867099)
so it is bowed. well, that is a lot different than the start of tendinitis i read about earlier.

No, it's not bowed.

Rudeboyelvis 06-08-2012 01:10 PM

Oh boy :rolleyes:

ScottJ 06-08-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 867105)
I completely disagree with this. Positive light? The NYSRWB basically said to the world that this sport is so corrupt and cheating is so rampant, none of the trainers of the best 3-year-old horses in the country could even be trusted to cook oats for their horses 72 hours before the race. How could that possibly be construed positively by an outsider?

Dear ateamstupid : There is a huge difference here between the fan who will tune-in or come to Belmont on Saturday afternoon and the fans like those here on Derby Trail that will show up on next Wednesday.

The casual fan will see the oversight that the industry applies in making sure that these horses are properly handled and prepared. By "industry", the casual fan has no idea what the "NYSRWB" might be, but the casual fan will know that the trainer is responsible for the horse - and that the trainer, owner, and other principles made the call in favor of an injured horse as opposed to chasing a title. That will be positively received by the casual fan.

MaTH716 06-08-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottJ (Post 867110)
Dear ateamstupid : There is a huge difference here between the fan who will tune-in or come to Belmont on Saturday afternoon and the fans like those here on Derby Trail that will show up on next Wednesday.

The casual fan will see the oversight that the industry applies in making sure that these horses are properly handled and prepared. By "industry", the casual fan has no idea what the "NYSRWB" might be, but the casual fan will know that the trainer is responsible for the horse - and that the trainer, owner, and other principles made the call in favor of an injured horse as opposed to chasing a title. That will be positively received by the casual fan.

The majority of the causal fans lost all interest in the Belmont offically at 1PM today. They will come back on the first Saturday of May next year. They don't care about oversight.

ateamstupid 06-08-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottJ (Post 867110)
Dear ateamstupid : There is a huge difference here between the fan who will tune-in or come to Belmont on Saturday afternoon and the fans like those here on Derby Trail that will show up on next Wednesday.

The casual fan will see the oversight that the industry applies in making sure that these horses are properly handled and prepared. By "industry", the casual fan has no idea what the "NYSRWB" might be, but the casual fan will know that the trainer is responsible for the horse - and that the trainer, owner, and other principles made the call in favor of an injured horse as opposed to chasing a title. That will be positively received by the casual fan.

The casual fan doesn't give two craps about racing unless the Triple Crown is on the line or a horse breaks down, so yes, it's a benefit that I'll Have Another didn't run hurt, but they'll just pay attention to something else now. The detention barn nonsense cast a pall over the race that didn't need to be there and although I'm sure it had nothing to do with the injury itself, it was a ridiculous precedent to set and a decision likely made in deference to the Times hit-pieces that have somehow managed to mold the racing narrative in the past year. The good will engendered by IHA living to see another day is negligible at best in the eyes of most, who are made to believe more and more every day that the sport is completely corrupt and teeming with cheaters.

Riot 06-08-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 867114)
The majority of the causal fans lost all interest in the Belmont offically at 1PM today. They will come back on the first Saturday of May next year. They don't care about oversight.

True. The only good thing was the track discovering what a disaster for the horses' routines, and the trainers, they created with the barn restrictions.

Hopefully, if they want extra scrutiny in the future, they'll just place overweight, clueless-about-horses rent-a-TSA-cops outside particular horses regular stalls.

Rudeboyelvis 06-08-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 867108)
No, it's not bowed.

Is this insider scoop from for the Justice League of Extraordinary Veterinarians?

Because according to every major news outlet covering this, it apprears that it is bowed, but there has been no official diagnosis yet.

If you know more about this than Ray Paulick, shoot him an email - he hates getting scooped.

Coach Pants 06-08-2012 01:33 PM


pointman 06-08-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 867122)
Is this insider scoop from for the Justice League of Extraordinary Veterinarians?

Because according to every major news outlet covering this, it apprears that it is bowed, but there has been no official diagnosis yet.

If you know more about this than Ray Paulick, shoot him an email - he hates getting scooped.

How dare you challenge the all knowing one on everything!

Riot 06-08-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 867122)
Is this insider scoop from for the Justice League of Extraordinary Veterinarians?

Because according to every major news outlet covering this, it apprears that it is bowed, but there has been no official diagnosis yet.

If you know more about this than Ray Paulick, shoot him an email - he hates getting scooped.

Are you serious? There has been an "official diagnosis" announced, which was that via ultrasound they have found there is mild tendon inflammation, "tendinitis".

Which is certainly not the same thing as a bowed tendon.

Who has wrongly called it a bowed tendon? The horse was out for all to see today - there's no bow.

Here's the Paulick Report you are quoting. You might try actually reading it.

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O'Neill said he noticed a "lack of definition in the left front leg" yesterday and wrapped his leg overnight. The trainer gave I'll Have Another an easy gallop around the track this morning. "He trained great this morning," said O'Neill but added there was some inflammation afterwards. "Could he run and compete? Yes. Would it be in his best interests? No."

"It's not like he had an injury and Doug took him out for a test drive," said Reddam defending his trainer.

Veternarian Dr. Larry Bramlage told the Paulick Report it was an early diagnosis of tendonitis to the superficial flexor tendon of the left front. He described it as not severe.
That is not a bowed tendon.


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