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dellinger63 03-07-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 843876)
Then she has an agenda and I want to know who is pulling her strings.

Wake up to the propaganda and diversionary tactics of the enemy. She is not on our side.

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Sandra Fluke is being sold by the left as something she's not. Namely a random co-ed from Georgetown law who found herself mixed up in the latest front of the culture war who was simply looking to make sure needy women had access to birth control. That, of course, is not the case.

As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control. She has been pushing for mandated coverage of contraceptives at Georgetown for at least three years according to the Washington Post.

However, as I discovered today, birth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
Does Riot have a daughter?

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sandra-flu...alth-insurance

geeker2 03-07-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 843648)
Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital; guess that's why Mitt Romney issued a "non-denouncing denouncement" of Rush.


Ocala Mike

He left Bain early in 1999.. There are more important things to worry about than Rush's comments. Good job Mitt!

Hey OM how much did you pay to fill up your gas tank?

$4.69/gal here

Just think how many contraceptives Fluke's Friends could buy with gas in the $2/gal range ;)

justsayin

Danzig 03-07-2012 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 843877)
I think it's all about choice.

Ms. Fluke and all women certainly should have the choice to receive contraception.

But religion and specifically the Catholic church should be allowed the choice to stay away from providing something that goes against church doctrine and again if we are to believe Obama & Co., the cost of omitting coverage would result in paying a higher premium.

Should Ms. Fluke & Co. want/need contraceptive coverage while in college they should avoid schools like Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola and Notre Dame or perhaps a private charity could step in and provide supplemental coverage. Then again there's the old fashion way of providing for yourself but that's a dying phenomena.

BTW there is a hint of truth in 'Catholic girls start much too late'.

Disclaimer: If at anytime viagra is covered in a group policy bc pills certainly should as well.

it is, has been since day one.
again, if you open the door to religious reasons to opt out of certain coverages, the amount of items being excluded would rise tremendously. or do you keep ignoring that.
also, again, the church already has yielded the point in many states with this same argument.
men get sex pills paid for, women don't. are their medical reasons for viagra other than sex? not that i know of. the pill? yes, many.
yet insurers cover tubals and vasectomies. so, permanent sterility? ok... flexible sterility? tough luck.
you guys keep saying the issue is personal responsibility, but its not. the issue is there is a double standard.

Ocala Mike 03-07-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843881)

Hey OM how much did you pay to fill up your gas tank?

$4.69/gal here


Around $3.80 down here. Not sure how this fits into this thread, though.
Is Mitt running on the $2/gal. gas platform?


Ocala Mike

dellinger63 03-07-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 843885)
if you open the door to religious reasons to opt out of certain coverages, the amount of items being excluded would rise tremendously. or do you keep ignoring that..

This is not about opting out for cost savings, punishment, bias towards women etc. This is about Church doctrine.

You keep thinking this will be abused by opting out of say arthritis coverage etc. It isn't and until we cross that road its reality is only in people's minds.

Again, you keep ignoring that if Obama is right, a policy for a woman with no contraceptive coverage should be MORE EXPENSIVE than coverage with contraception. So you can eliminate cost as a motive.

joeydb 03-07-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 843874)
Did you even read her testimony? She didn't even talk about herself once. For all anyone knows, she could be a virgin. Your last sentence is painfully ignorant.

OK, you're a horseplayer, right? What odds will you give me on the "virgin" bet?

hi_im_god 03-07-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 843895)
OK, you're a horseplayer, right? What odds will you give me on the "virgin" bet?

you're probably a really nice guy but might suffer from same tone deafness rush does.

it's creepy that you'd even ask.

bigrun 03-07-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 843895)
OK, you're a horseplayer, right? What odds will you give me on the "virgin" bet?


Who makes final determination of virginity?....I'd appoint my Dr Hassan bin Lade....:D

Antitrust32 03-07-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 843895)
OK, you're a horseplayer, right? What odds will you give me on the "virgin" bet?

she's 30's old. Odds are she is not a virgin. But the point is, you said "It is Ms Fluke trying to force her will upon the rest of us by demanding a subsidy to her lifestyle" when if you actually read this Fluke testimony she never even talked about herself or her lifestyle. She was talking about others and specifically women who had conditions (cysts) that need to be controlled through birth control pills.

So I wanted to make sure your incorrect statement was corrected. Certainly, nobody outside of Fluke and her friends / lovers know if she is a "slut" "prostitute" or a virgin or living in a monogomous relationship.

Antitrust32 03-07-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 843894)
This is not about opting out for cost savings, punishment, bias towards women etc. This is about Church doctrine.

You keep thinking this will be abused by opting out of say arthritis coverage etc. It isn't and until we cross that road its reality is only in people's minds.

Again, you keep ignoring that if Obama is right, a policy for a woman with no contraceptive coverage should be MORE EXPENSIVE than coverage with contraception. So you can eliminate cost as a motive.

the church should have Nothing to do with insurance coverage. But than again, in my opinion, the government should also have nothing to do with insurance coverage.

It's pretty ridiculous if a company does not cover medicine that prevents ovarian cysts. But on the other side of it.. healthy women who want to avoid pregnancy should be able to afford the $10 to $30 dollars per month it costs to get bitch control pills. If your current insurance doesn't cover it.. either switch plans or pay for it out of your pocket. what i DO NOT want, is government in the health care business.

I have sympathy for the women who need the pills for health reasons. I don't have sympathy for the other group for a reason. I take a medication that literally keeps me alive. I'd dehydrate and die of kidney failure in a matter of weeks without this medication. I work and have insurance through my company. But, according to United Healthcare (they suck, btw), this medication I take is not considered preventative. Eventhough it prevents my death. So I pay full price for this medication every month, eventhough I'm still paying my insurance premiums which includes a ridiculous $2,400 deductable anyway.

Oh yeah.. before Obamacare completely changed the insurance policies that we are offered to pay for.. I simply paid a $10 deductable for this medication every month. Now it costs 5 times that.

Antitrust32 03-07-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 843910)
But on the other side of it.. healthy women who want to avoid pregnancy should be able to afford the $10 to $30 dollars per month it costs to get bitch control pills.

I believe this is considered a "freudian slip" meant birth control pills!

bitch control pills are already covered. They are called prozac and valium.

GenuineRisk 03-07-2012 02:21 PM

Seems to me religious freedom means the INDIVIDUAL choosing not to use contraception, not the boss dictating whether they should. Health care coverage is not a gift; it's part of an employee's compensation. By restricting health care coverage to not include contraception, the Catholic Church is demanding the right to pay their employees less.

If the Catholic Church feels so strongly about not providing health plans that include contraception coverage, they can just not offer health care plans as part of their compensation package. And then see what caliber of people apply to work for them.

Riot 03-07-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 843951)
If the Catholic Church feels so strongly about not providing health plans that include contraception coverage, they can just not offer health care plans as part of their compensation package. And then see what caliber of people apply to work for them.

The Catholic Church is free not to offer contraception, the insurance company will provide it. There is zero "forcing" of churches to do anything against their religious beliefs. They are ignoring that announcement in an effort to keep rousing up the religious GOP base politically.

Nearly all religious-affiliated hospitals already offer insurance - and have for decades - that routinely offers birth control.

This - like "Obama is responsible for high gasoline prices!" - is an entirely manufactured political issue.

The current polling shows only 14% of Latinos now support any Republican candidate, and 57% of all women are offended by the GOP (that obviously includes plenty of GOP women). The GOP has ignored the advice they've received over the past 20 years about changing with the country. Those are demographic numbers that cannot be overcome. We are watching the destruction of the current incarnation of the Republican Party. If the brahmins in the party don't take over control, this party is done for years.

Danzig 03-07-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 843894)
This is not about opting out for cost savings, punishment, bias towards women etc. This is about Church doctrine.

You keep thinking this will be abused by opting out of say arthritis coverage etc. It isn't and until we cross that road its reality is only in people's minds.

Again, you keep ignoring that if Obama is right, a policy for a woman with no contraceptive coverage should be MORE EXPENSIVE than coverage with contraception. So you can eliminate cost as a motive.

it is very much about those things. there is a double standard. the cost is higher for an ed drug than bc, yet ed is covered. as for the church argument...why do you continue to ignore the facts? those include that many states already have bc mandates in place which include churches- that the church has accepted. also, as i said before, if you start excluding based on religion you open up many folks to losing coverages for other services. ive made that point several times, yet you and others choose to ignore that. you said if viagra was paid for then nevermind..it is paid for yet you're still arguing.
of course arthritis wouldnt come up for religious reasons. what about treatment for ectopic pregnancy? blood transfusions? there are religions against that. organ donation? some are against that. you want your pastor, or your employer to decide your treatments?

Riot 03-07-2012 08:09 PM

Limbaugh imploding - he's reduced to filling ad time with PSA's
 
From Media Matters:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203070008

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At least 45 advertisers have reportedly dropped their ads from Rush Limbaugh's radio show in the wake of his misogynistic attacks on Sandra Fluke.

Here are his March 7 advertisers, in the order they appeared on WABC, the flagship station for Limbaugh's show. Audio clips of the ads have been provided to help make advertisers aware of the placement of their ads on the program.

Advertisers with links on their names have already stated that they have asked to have their ads excluded from Limbaugh's show.

etc ...

Danzig 03-08-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 843899)
you're probably a really nice guy but might suffer from same tone deafness rush does.

it's creepy that you'd even ask.


:tro:

Danzig 03-08-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 843951)
Seems to me religious freedom means the INDIVIDUAL choosing not to use contraception, not the boss dictating whether they should. Health care coverage is not a gift; it's part of an employee's compensation. By restricting health care coverage to not include contraception, the Catholic Church is demanding the right to pay their employees less.

If the Catholic Church feels so strongly about not providing health plans that include contraception coverage, they can just not offer health care plans as part of their compensation package. And then see what caliber of people apply to work for them.

:tro:

freedom of religion mean right to worship how, where, when you choose. not whether your employees have to believe as you do. or that you can make others follow your beliefs in some form or fashion.

geeker2 03-08-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 843910)
the church should have Nothing to do with insurance coverage. But than again, in my opinion, the government should also have nothing to do with insurance coverage.

It's pretty ridiculous if a company does not cover medicine that prevents ovarian cysts. But on the other side of it.. healthy women who want to avoid pregnancy should be able to afford the $10 to $30 dollars per month it costs to get bitch control pills. If your current insurance doesn't cover it.. either switch plans or pay for it out of your pocket. what i DO NOT want, is government in the health care business.

I have sympathy for the women who need the pills for health reasons. I don't have sympathy for the other group for a reason. I take a medication that literally keeps me alive. I'd dehydrate and die of kidney failure in a matter of weeks without this medication. I work and have insurance through my company. But, according to United Healthcare (they suck, btw), this medication I take is not considered preventative. Eventhough it prevents my death. So I pay full price for this medication every month, eventhough I'm still paying my insurance premiums which includes a ridiculous $2,400 deductable anyway.

Oh yeah.. before Obamacare completely changed the insurance policies that we are offered to pay for.. I simply paid a $10 deductable for this medication every month. Now it costs 5 times that.

:tro: for what you wrote and :tro: for you and your struggle

Riot 03-08-2012 01:23 PM

Limbaugh in trouble - even the PSA's like the American Heart Association are refusing to be broadcast on his program.

Riot 03-08-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 844116)
:tro:

freedom of religion mean right to worship how, where, when you choose. not whether your employees have to believe as you do. or that you can make others follow your beliefs in some form or fashion.

:tro:

Freedom from religion is a constitutional right, too.

Not that that will stop Rick Santorum.

joeydb 03-08-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 844115)
:tro:

I forgot that nobody can take a JOKE anymore. Polticial correctness rules all. :rolleyes:

Danzig 03-08-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 844186)
I forgot that nobody can take a JOKE anymore. Polticial correctness rules all. :rolleyes:

oh, is that what that was? you might want to include a :D when you're joking. hard to get that across, as i well know, on a board.

Riot 03-08-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 844186)
I forgot that nobody can take a JOKE anymore. Polticial correctness rules all. :rolleyes:

You think joking about Fluke's virginity is appropriate? On this thread?

You ARE the problem.

joeydb 03-08-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844193)
You think joking about Fluke's virginity is appropriate? On this thread?

You ARE the problem.

I joked in response to someone else bringing that up.

You HAVE no sense of humor.

Riot 03-08-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 844207)
I joked in response to someone else bringing that up.

You HAVE no sense of humor.

Either does Rush Limbaugh.

Coach Pants 03-08-2012 02:32 PM


Riot 03-08-2012 06:22 PM

Rush down to 1 advertiser, and has dead air today
 
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203080010

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Rush Limbaugh's Advertisers, March 8

March 08, 2012 2:19 pm ET by Media Matters staff

At least 50 advertisers have reportedly dropped their ads from Rush Limbaugh's radio show in the wake of his misogynistic attacks on Sandra Fluke.

Here are his March 8 advertisers, in the order they appeared on WABC, the flagship station for Limbaugh's show. Audio clips of the ads have been provided to help make advertisers aware of the placement of their ads on the program. According to our coverage:

* A total of 86 ads aired during WABC's broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show today
* 77 of those ads were public service announcements donated free of charge by the Ad Council
* Of the nine paid spots that ran, seven were from companies that have said they have taken steps to ensure their ads no longer air during the program
* WABC's online feed included about 5:33 of dead air when ads would normally have run.

Advertisers with links on their names have already stated that they have asked to have their ads excluded from Limbaugh's show.

Lists of advertisers below:


joeydb 03-08-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 844302)

You go right ahead believing everything Media Matters prints. It'll do wonders for you. :rolleyes:

Are we going to get equal coverage when the new advertisers join the program?

Riot 03-08-2012 07:51 PM

Rush Limbaugh scrubs his radio broadcast transcripts
 
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RushLimbaugh.com appears to have removed parts of his radio transcripts from February 29 and March 1 in which he called Sandra Fluke a "slut" and demanded a sex tape as a thank you to taxpayers for subsidizing her birth control.

Those transcripts now show white space where Rush's comments were located.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...x-tapes/49643/

For Joey:

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"A dating service for people wanting to cheat on their spouses, Ashley Madison, has offered to fill Rush's dead air time."

"This was declined by Limbaugh's show"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...184310489.html

Riot 03-08-2012 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 844312)
You go right ahead believing everything Media Matters prints. It'll do wonders for you. :rolleyes:

I "believe" it because on the page I linked, there are actual tapes of the program supporting what Media Matters says.

Duh.

You are aware that there is a difference between "a fact", and "an opinion", right? Hint: Rush Limbaugh lied outright about what Fluke testified, then made comments about what he lied about.

That's why he's currently undergoing major market changes regarding his radio program, and he's about to be successfully sued by a private citizen.

hi_im_god 03-08-2012 10:03 PM

this all started with a policy blunder by the white house in formulating new regulations on birth control. they didn't draw the religious exemption broadly enough.

the republican's correctly saw a wedge issue that could drive their base to the polls. it's government interference in religious freedom.

yet regardless of where you stand on the substance there's just no denying that republicans have lost the pr battle. it's stopped being about about religious liberty and started being about women's access to contraception. romney led obama among white women in polls a few weeks ago. not anymore.

democrats win more and more the longer this debate goes on. which is why you see them continuing to bump the subject.

if i were a republican, i'd look to change the subject the same way democrats did so succesfully with rush's unexpected help.

find a proverbial fat white dude asking for porn video's and beat it to death. hope that the other side is too timid to criticize him .

it's election gold.

hi_im_god 03-08-2012 10:15 PM

btw: if rush limbaugh's program were a stock i'd be buying.

the idea that advertiser's will stay away from a program with 15 million loyal listeners ignores reality.

he'll stick to racism. after all, everyone's a little racist.

it's a lot safer than offending 52% of the electorate.

rpncaine 03-09-2012 11:27 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA

Coach Pants 03-09-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 844361)
btw: if rush limbaugh's program were a stock i'd be buying.

the idea that advertiser's will stay away from a program with 15 million loyal listeners ignores reality.

he'll stick to racism. after all, everyone's a little racist.

it's a lot safer than offending 52% of the electorate.

Like the President's parrot MSNBC? They had an article and commentary on their channel about surging numbers of white militias yesterday. No mention of Black Panthers and over various minority militias.

Spare us the illusion of Rush being the only piece of s.hit on the block. These "militias" know the trump card O is holding if things get dicey towards November. They are conditioning the 200,000 or so PMSNBC viewers for mass riots. They will be the messengers...the ones who shared the Kony video on Facebook and other social media sites. You know...morons.

Riot 03-09-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 844361)
btw: if rush limbaugh's program were a stock i'd be buying.

the idea that advertiser's will stay away from a program with 15 million loyal listeners ignores reality.

Somebody pointed out yesterday that although the internet stream of his flagship was advertiser empty, the broadcast show still ran a full complement of national ads.

Quote:

he'll stick to racism.
He's still sticking to misogyny and slut-shaming this week: he's attacked two other young women regarding sex.

joeydb 03-09-2012 05:06 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/i...sEnabled=false

Waaaaahh!! Pay for my stuff!!!

Looks like the truth is coming out about the "poor, struggling law student."

Coach Pants 03-09-2012 05:11 PM

Theme song of the thread...Ridin spinnaz

Riot 03-09-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 844544)
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/i...sEnabled=false

Waaaaahh!! Pay for my stuff!!!

Looks like the truth is coming out about the "poor, struggling law student."

Stop this ridiculous "destroy the witness" nonsense. Enough. The lies of Limbaugh, and others, are appalling and disgusting. Misogyny and degradation of women at it's worse. An embarrassment to this country.

Nobody, especially Ms. Fluke, ever called her a "poor, struggling law student". She was called to testify at Issa's Congressional conference precisely because she's a well-spoken student activist for woman's rights. Yes, she is a law student at Georgetown. Students don't have much money.

Issa wouldn't let her speak, preferring to have old celibate men dispose his committee on the reproductive rights of women. The Dems held their own hearing to let her speak.

Then the lies about her testimony, and the slut-shaming, and the horrible personal attacks and lies, began.

By the way: Marco Rubio, who co-sponsored this bill, this attack on women's rights under the false flag lie of "religious freedom", is considered a viable candidate for VP on the GOP ticket.

Here is her actual testimony:

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Transcript of testimony by Sandra Fluke

Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown University Law student, testifies before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee on the importance of contraceptive coverage for students and employees at religious-affiliated institutions.

Last week, Fluke was denied the opportunity to speak before the House Oversight Committee hearing on women's reproductive health. Instead, an all-male panel of religious leaders testified on why they should be allowed to deny women contraceptive coverage. SOURCE: C-Span.org
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“Leader [Nancy] Pelosi, members of Congress, good morning. And thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and for allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation.

“My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.

(Applause)

“We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.

“I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.

“We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.

“Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic or Jesuit institutions.

“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.

“And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.

“And so, I’m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them – not me – to be heard.

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.

“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.

“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.

“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.

“How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?

“These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.

“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.

“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’

“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.

“On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.

“Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.

“As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’

“Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.

“Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were

“One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can’t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication – the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.

“Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.

“Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.

“I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

“Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority.

“One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handle all of women’s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that – something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.

“As one other student put it: ‘This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.’

“These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.

“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.

“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.

“The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.

“Thank you very much.”


bigrun 03-09-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 844435)
Like the President's parrot MSNBC? They had an article and commentary on their channel about surging numbers of white militias yesterday. No mention of Black Panthers and over various minority militias.

Spare us the illusion of Rush being the only piece of s.hit on the block. These "militias" know the trump card O is holding if things get dicey towards November. They are conditioning the 200,000 or so PMSNBC viewers for mass riots. They will be the messengers...the ones who shared the Kony video on Facebook and other social media sites. You know...morons.


Black Panthers, they still around?...Who watches MSNBC anymore...Haven't watched them since Dumya Bush was ousted..no fun anymore..Besides, Fox morons outnumber MSNBC morons at least 20-1...:D

Danzig 03-11-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 844544)
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/i...sEnabled=false

Waaaaahh!! Pay for my stuff!!!

Looks like the truth is coming out about the "poor, struggling law student."

something occurred to me yesterday about this subject when my husband and i were discussing it.

why is it still considered just a woman's issue anyway? i don't know of a woman yet who got pregnant without sperm involved. so, both sexes have sex, but only the woman is responsible for bc and for the cost? of course the alternative is pregnancy, and men don't like to pay that price either, do they?
still the mindset that only women get pregnant while ignoring the fact that both sides of the equation are involved in pregnancy!


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