heard old Snot Walker tonight on the radio and he hinted that these signatures are from, get this as it sounds just like the idiots in the 60's. OUTSIDE AGITATORS!

This clown isn't even original: he follows the rightie play book line for line

You're one of those libtards from that outdated layout board, right?

Thing that confuses the **** out of me is he is from Canada. Why such interest in US politics?

for the hundredth time WRONG. Born in La Grange Georgia and moved to S Calif at age 6 months.

UCLA
Cal State University Long Beach
UC SF


Here's some information for you: Brits, and Canadians have a MUCH BETTER picture of what goes on in this world than the majority of 'merikans

Time to re-register so I can vote for the least nuttiest this time around.

I’d call them union lackeys sent in from Chi-town. And as a moth can’t resist a flame, college students can’t resist a protest and thus they serve a purpose as extras in a Michael Moore flick do.

During the late 1800’s and into the Great Depression unions represented their workers and had their best interests in mind. That all changed when Curly Humphreys walked into Al Capone’s office for a meeting with Red Barker and Lefty Lynch to plan the takeover over the Teamsters Joint Council in Chicago. Installing one Libby Libonati initially as an IL State Legislator and later as a US congressman provided a foot in the door politically. Thirty years before Joe Kennedy and his prodigal son would be called into the game.

Incidentally in 1931 the Chicago outfit was reportedly ‘earning’ $50 million a year off unions and they hadn’t even yet become national. With the passage of the twenty-first amendment, in 1933 effectively putting bootleggers out of business, the gangsters were forced to search for new revenue streams. Taking over unions nationally was determined to be their business plan. BTW (By passing the amendment repealing prohibition, the government reportedly reaped $300 million a year in alcohol taxes. One can only imagine the potential taxes the government could collect today taxing marijuana? The government’s lack of desire to do so coupled with their storied past hopefully isn’t a sign of yet more backdoor deal making.)

When ‘Dirty Harry’ Truman was elected President, the outfit connected unions hit the lotto. His ascent to power back in Kansas City was poluted with backroom mob deals and underworld relationships with people like gangster John Lazia and crooked Democratic boss Tom Pendergast. His greatest accomplishment as President, the building of the National Highway System was also dirty. With the road workers’ unions and their employers owned and or controlled by the outfit an automatic ten percent graft (overcharge) was included in the bids and paid for by the taxpayer. Also much to Truman’s discredit, Chicago crime boss Paul ‘The Waiter’ Ricca was somehow paroled after being transferred to Leavenworth (Atlanta was just to tough, both as a prison and a travel destination) to be with his compatriots and where Joe Bats (Accardo) and Camel Humphreys were able to visit with him.

Spring ahead in time to only a couple of years ago when the IL Teacher Union’s pension fund was the focus of criminal charges being filed against the likes of one Stuart Levine, close friend and confident with former Dem Governor Blago. Levine was indicted for shaking down potential IL Teachers’ pension fund managers. He has since whacked himself, Blago is headed for club Fed for twelve years and in a life’s not fair example, the man who turned everyone in, who refused to be shaken down, Washington D.C.’s J.E. Roberts, unfortunately passed away of cancer, way too young. Predictably his company JER was not given control of the fund.

Several years before that, a road construction/asphalt company, with motto’s painted on their trucks like ‘donta push’ and ‘the earth moves with’ and for all practical purposes the lone installer of Northern IL highways, was found guilty of (you guessed it) over billing for materials, hours and even installing a concrete lake, at the home of one of the owners, using State paid-for concrete and labor. Several company officers/owners went to prison however their bright orange trucks, with newly installed sheets of plywood painted with a new company name, continued being the sole provider of public road construction without disruption. No wonder IL finds itself in such financial trouble.

The People of WI, as a whole, realize the Governor’s initiatives of making public union workers equal to their private counterparts, is fair. Additionally the people think pitching in for one’s retirement and healthcare is an individual responsibility not a village one. Similar to why Wisconsinites prefer raising their own children as opposed to the State and why as a State they’re against Obamacare.

Though cold in the winter, Wisconsin is fantastic despite being the home of the Green Bay Packers. Guess you can take a man out of IL but not the Chicago Bears from his heart. Go Giants and Baltimore. Or at least cover. And keep up the good work governor!

Quite a commute to Woodbine ;)

While Scott Walker decries "outside influence" on his recall efforts, he runs to obtain help and money from "outside influences" himself. Four donors alone accounted for a million dollars.

Governors under recall in WI are allowed to raise unlimited campaign cash. This is why the fake Walker petition for recall was filed early, by a Walker friend, in order to allow Walker to start raising cash early.

Doesn't seem like much support from small, in-state ("citizen") donors for Walker.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...sin&id=8517041

An analysis of Walker's latest campaign finance reports submitted Monday done by the government watchdog group the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign shows that 61 percent of his money came from out of state.

That includes $1 million he got from three Missouri donors and one from Texas over a single week earlier in January.

The Democracy Campaign says roughly half of the $4.5 million Walker raised over the past five weeks came from 33 individual donors.

Who cares?

The funny part is she whines about this, but once the dems have a candidate there will be a TON of $ coming from National Unions to try and fight this. If they win they can use it as an example to other states. If they lose the recall then Other states can follow suit with WI and start to take some power back to the citizens of their state and not with the unions.

Just people that want corporate owning of our politicians out of government. Do you think Walker should work for the Koch Brothers and ALEC, or the citizens of Wisconsin?

I seem to remember alot of screaming about ACORN ... but complete silence about ALEC. I find that interesting.

Yes, you keep whining about "union money", and "union thugs", while your Governor far exceeds on the "outside money" claims :D

I am not whining about the $ you are. Most of the $ from the national unions is not in yet. They are waiting on a candidate before they send all the $ in from the outside. Get a grip on reality. Saying that you want corporate owning out of politics makes you the biggest hypocrite on the planet. If I have to spell this out for you I give up. Just use that brain of yours and think about what has actually happened in the last few years nationally. You applaud the government for investing in and owning companies like GM, yet you want corporate owning out of politics. Makes sense :zz:

No, I was not "whining", I was laughing :D

And yes - when Unions agree to massive sacrifices, as the Governor asked for, but he busts the unions anyway, while demonizing public employees, police, fire, teachers: yeah, the citizens are going to rise up with over a million signatures to recall your sorry, ALEC-owned ass from office.

Five straight months of job loss in Wisconsin, opposite the national trend. Incompetence writ large.

That's why there are over a million recall signatures for your Governor, your Lt. Governor, and four Republican state senators. The citizens of Wisconsin signed those petitions. Not "unions".

Who cares?

Can you address my comments on GM please? Last I checked Governor Walker didn't invest any of the tax payers money in buying companies or stock in companies, yet Obama did. You support Obama, yet feel that Walker is in the pockets of the Koch's. Actions speak much louder than words. If you believe that there is no place in corporate owning of our politicians you would not support Obama.

She thinks the loss taken on GM was somehow a success. Just sayin

Polls shows voters approve of walker
 

Just the other day a poll showed that 50% approve of walkers performance. Also it is ridiculous to have these idiots shout out during his state address the other night. No need to protest you got your recall votes go home! These protesters still bitter about there choo choo train going up in smoke. I guess it doesn't matter to them that the majority of the state approves of walker. Keep it up walker ignore all the bitter losers the majority agrees with you!

Your comments on GM, the presumption that the only difference is scale, are a broadly superficial and ridiculous comparison to Walker enacting the ALEC agenda via ownership by the Koch Brothers et. al, unless you readily prove that the only reason GM got government money was political union payoff to the President of the United States. Considering that the unions gave massive concessions in pay, pensions and healthcare, and more non-union people than union benefited in the retention of the industry and associated manufacturing jobs, that will be a stretch. Unfortunately for you, your personal dislike of unions and Obama doesn't count as "proof". Especially as Bush's bailout was given with zero payback and conditions, but Obama's was not? But that does create the conspiracy theory in your mind that conflates the two as equal. I call that argument superficial, shallow, assumptive. You're free to hold the opinion. I do not. Call that what you will. However, I am willing to be convinced. Draw me a nice, clear picture of the factual details, and I'll be happy to change my mind to your point of view if your argument is strong enough. Go ahead.

Yeah, Dell. The saving of the auto industry, and over 100,000 associated jobs in that and ancillary manufacturing and supply industries in Michigan and nearby states, was a success by any measure. Especially as the vast majority of the loans are paid back, very little was written off, and the cold, hard financial assessment of that small loss versus keeping hundreds of thousands employed, and returning American auto manufacturing to the number one car purchased in the world, is a pretty straight ledger book black win for your fellow citizens.

You think that sucks :D You are also against healthcare for sick people, and religious freedom. So it goes.

Can you name one company that Walker has given tax payer $? It would earn you extra credit if that company has also donated $ to Walker's campaign.

Why would I? I've never made that contention about Walker.

It seems you are confusing your sureity that Obama bailed out GM only because he's owned by the Unions, with Walker passing ALEC-inspired legislation. You've taken your unproven assumption about Obama, and want me to use your illogical argument to disprove something entirely different, a claim I've not made, but you are?

You are saying that GM was bailed out only because the President was owned by unions. Convince us, before you demand that others take that assumption as inherently true and use it as a proof for their own argument (which is crazy, btw)

Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

And no, that is not the same contention as "but Obama bailed out GM because he was owned by unions".

Why did Obama invest tax payer money in companies like Solyndra, Ener1, etc even though prior administrations had reviewed them and decided it wasn't a good risk? Did any of those companies invest companies invest campaign $ in Obama? How did those investments work out? Yet it is Walker who is in the pockets of businesses

What does Obama have to do with Walker, other than as a vehicle for you desperately trying to change the focus away from Walker? The subject is Walker. Not Obama.

As I added to the other post: Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- 2010 recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

You say Walker doing the above is the same as Obama bailing out the auto industry. Then you demand I disprove your unproven allegation against Obama, in order to prove Walker isn't doing something entirely different, which is the above?

Uh ... no.

You said that you want corporate owning out of our politicians. I am just showing you that you only believe this when it is convenient for your arguement. All I was doing was showing you that this is happening with Obama to a much larger degree, but you choose to ignore that fact.

I can't wait until Walker Wins Again!

No, you didn't "show" anything. You only made an allegation. Go ahead, prove your allegation, that Obama only made the GM bailout as he was owned by unions. Go ahead. Make your argument that is true. If it's good enough, I'll be quite willing to change my mind and agree with you.

But, rather than try and change the subject to Obama, you'd probably do better to instead show what is factually wrong about this statement I made about Walker. Because this discussion is about Walker. Not Obama.

Obama received campaign donations from solyndra and Ener1. Both of these companies were reviewed for loans/grants by prior administrations and denied based on their business plans and financial sitaution. Obama's administrations gave money to both of these companies and spoke very highly about them. They have both since filed bankruptcy.

Solyndra majority shareholder ownership is wealthy Republicans, like the Walton family.

And you have other facts omitted: The Bush administration approved the loan to Solyndra, trying to rush it through, but the Department of Energy said no, the documents submitted by Solyndra were not complete, what what was there didn't look good. That loan approval was held over until during the Obama administration before the loan documents were completed, then the DOE approved the loan based upon the updated documents.

The documents submitted by Solyndra to the DOE had lies included by the company to gain the loan, providing false information about the company not consistent with the financial reality surrounding the loan.

It's hard to make a conspiracy theory up when all the facts are included.

Solyndra’s loan application was filed during President Bush’s term, but the Solyndra loan was denied by the Bush administration less than two weeks before Bush left office on January 9, 2009. As soon as Obama took office, his administration reversed the denial of the loan and put the ill-advised loan, which had thrown up many red flags that the Bush administration caught, but the Obama administration ignored, on a fast-track to receive the same loan that the Bush administration denied days before.

Do you know who George Kaiser is?

Denied by the DOE. Not the administration.
No, they did not. Solyndra was still in the process of submitting additional documents, and the administration had to wait until DOE got those additional documents - which had fake information submitted by Solyndra - for the approval to go through.
The administration had to wait on DOE. DOE approved the loan based upon the merits of the application - which Solyndra lied upon to get the loan.

No. The above is only the false coloring of the anti-Obama conspiracy theorists. The regular, lifetime government workers in the DOE caught the red flags during the Bush administration, and approved the loan based upon the falsified documents under the Obama administration. The executive branch does not approve these loans.

The change of administrations was merely coincidental, not the massive conspiracy you and others believe.

Yes, he was one of the stockholders of Solyndra. Can you name the other, major Republican stockholders of Solyndra? Aside from the Walton Family? Why do you ignore that the majority ownership of Solyndra were big money Republican donors?

Can you see why the "Obama Solyndra Scandal" has only taken hold within the Obama Derangement Syndrome folks? Because the accusation of "scandal" doesn't stand up to any superficially intelligent review of the facts surrounding the case. Which everyone else figured out as soon as the alleged "scandal" was first revealed. But that never stops a dedicated wingnut.

Is George Kaiser a republican?

No, he's Democratic and contributed to Obama's campaign, while other shareholders of Solyndra, the majority, happen to be Republican and contributed to Bush. Stop ignoring that.

Unfortunately, while both administrations wanted to capitalize on the publicity of a loan to a promising upstart solar energy company, Solyndra lied on the documentation to get the loan. The loan was first disproved, not by "Bush", but by the regular workers in the DOE, and the loan was subsequently approved, not by "Obama", but by those same regular workers in the DOE. Unfortunately Solyndra faces penalty for lying to the government to get the loan approved.

Stop with the "Solyndra is an Obama Scandal!" That's as ridiculous and false as "he's a Muslim Kenyan!", and everyone else in the world knows it.

Thoughts on "Enron1" (thx Uncle Joe!)

No thanks. You and Uncle Joe go ahead and explain that to us.

Although, if you refuse to acknowledge the obvious roaring success of the administration betting on the American auto industry, you can't really ignore that while trying to also blame the administration for any failures in the Green energy industry.

But I know that won't stop some :-)

I will leave that to Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...rotection.html

IF these companies were going to succeed and had proper business plans and forecasts, they would not need gov't loans. Private investors would be footing the bill.

You are kidding right?
GM and Chrysler are not doing well at all, despite what you might have read. Ford is reasonably solid thanks to new models and a killer ad-campaign.

Please, go ahead and explain "how so".

Exactly. But investment capital nowadays goes more to gambling on money, and created financial products, rather than actual capital investments in making something tangible.