Learn to post your opinion without putting others down, afterall it's only your opinion. Failure to do so makes you appear narrow-minded!

Im not at all, you said similar then go off and name 2 forwards. The reasson I said get a clue is because the 2 bigs you mentioned are both productive NBA players. Personally I think the Jimmer is much better then Reddick.

They are similar in their perceived lack of NBA skill sets coming out of college. Position had nothing to do with the comparison. There is a place for blue collar types in the NBA, every team has them and they can contribute and have long careers.Time will tell if Jimmer is better than Reddick, he seems to have a more advanced ability to create his own shot but Reddick has certainly developed that. I'm not sure the Knicks would be the best place for him (as was suggested earlier as draft analysis). I've been following the NBA since the 50's, seen a lot of success stories and unfortunately a lot of busts. One of the best college players I ever saw was Archie Talley from Salem College, small college player of the year with unbelievable ball handling and shooting skills, drafted by the Knicks, tried to make the Globe Trotters and ended up playing in Europe...never made the NBA.

By the way TH had another outstanding game tonight, 11-18 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 27 points, 4 offensive boards, 7 defensive boards, and a steal against the Bulls.

oops, my bad, game in OT...he just hit another field goal, will post final stats when game is over!

Can we please not overstate the production of Hansborough or Blair.They are strictly role players. Reddick does not create many shots, or I should say does not create many shots that go in. He is still much better as a catch and shoot or spot up jump shooter. He has developed his overall game but most players improve.

Let's also get this straight PG1985, Jimmer Fredette is only going to be effective on a team where he is only asked to playing short spurts and for a coach that doesn't stress a half court or defensive game. He has glaring weaknesses in his game. He commits too many turnovers and has zero chance of guarding anyone but terrible shooters at the next level. BUT that doesn't mean he can't play a role for a particular team like Golden State or the Knicks.

Not trying to build up TH into the second coming but he has been playing extremely well lately since Indiana staff has given him more minutes...tonight in their OT win vs the Bulls...12-19 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 29 points, 12 boards, an assist and 2 steals. Glad to have him on my fantasy team. His career is still young, perhaps he is better than many thought!

He is actually much older than you think. He is 3 years older than Kevin Durant, turns 26 later this year. But it is good to see him get a chance and make something of it.

Yeah, last 7 games, all with 30+ minutes: 29, 10 (with 11 boards), 30,29, 20,21,and 26 points...really nice run!

The Knick games should get asterisked.

Blair has an nba body. The only reason he slipped so bad was his physical.

Which one of those players listed couldn't score?

Blair is short for his position. He gets a lot of props but he is averaging 8 points and 7 rebounds a game. Not bad but if he had been a lottery pick no one would be touting him very much.

None of those players are scoring threats except in the flow of an offense. In other words as long as they arent the primary option. JF can score effectively in many ways.

Blair starts for the number one team in the west. He is short but wide and athletic. Big baby is the same way. He is a solid nba player. I don't know how he was compared to fredette but that is a weird comparison that really makes no sense. I don't remember you bringing him in so let's drop blair.

The last paragraph there makes no real sense either. Alford couldn't score in many ways? Respert couldn't? Morrison? Monroe?

Those guys weren't the primary options in college?? Morrison wasn't???

Fredette is the backcourt Adam morrison.

There is a reason why Blair's minutes are heavily monitored. He may start but he usually plays less than half the game and that probably wont change much.

None of those players could score in the NBA. There is no reason why Fredette can't. He could easily work as a change of pace guy off the bench in the right system. Morrison was just too slow and didnt have nearly enough range to make up for it.

How do you know fredette can score in the NBA? Respert, Morrison and hopson were all better prospects and were lottery picks in deeper drafts. They were all dominant scorers and the primary focus of their respective offenses in college. Respert was 6 1 195 and quicker than fredette who is 6 2 195.

It is pretty obvious that the guy can shoot the ball. He not only has range, he can hit the mid range shot, stopping on a dime. That is a pretty easily assimilated skill.

Respert? The guy couldnt shoot off the dribble and didn't have the luxury of getting 4 or 5 layups a game like he did in college . Morrison? Hopson? I mean really? Using failed "prospects" as examples of why a completely different guy won't make it is an unusual tactic. Why was Respert a bust when Eric Snow his backcourt teammate who was picked 43rd in the same draft wasn't (relatively) despite being slower and a lot less skilled player?

Eric snow was a 6' 3" pg. Respert was a 6' 1" sg. That's my point. Snow was a good sized pg while respert was a hopelessly short sg that wasn't athletic enough to overcome his deficiencies to be a success in the pros. In order to overcome that lack of size, respert would have had to be extremely athletic like A.I or Gilbert athletic. Fredette isn't that athletic. He isn't even close.

Now, name me all of the 6' 2" white 2 guards playing in the pros.

You are missing the point. Snow didnt make it because he was 2 inches taller than Respert. He made it because he could play a role where Respert could not. Respert didnt shoot poorly in the NBA because he was 6'1". He shot poorly because he wasn't open all the time like he was in college.

Vinny Johnson wasn't tall or particularly athletic. Jason Kapono isnt athletic. Craig Hodges wasn't athletic. Steve Kerr wasn't quick or athletic. But they all can play a role as either instant offense off the bench or as a deep threat. Not one of these guys could guard Freddy mo but they all are longtime NBA players.

NBA games are 48 minutes long. There is a place for a guy who can score and shoot the way JF does. No one is saying that he is going to be an all star or even a starter. But is Toney Douglas really much better? Or DJ Augustin? He plays 33 minutes a game and averages 5 assists. Fredette isn't as good as Daniel Gibson? Or Jordan Farmar? Or Mario Chalmers? AJ Price can play 15 minutes a game in the league but Fredette can't? Acie Law? Ronnie Price?
Chris Quinn? Really?

Dear Jay Bilas:

GO F yourself.

Kindly signed,
VCU

I don't disagree that he will be drafted and will stick around for his rookie contract. His impact will be minimal.

He won't contribute or play as much as chalmers because he can't defend like chalmers who is an excellent perimeter defender.

All of the guys you named can defend Nba pg's to some degree. Fredette cant and he has no hope defending twos.

Again, how many 6' 2" white shooting guards are in the NBA?

Really? How many guys have his shooting ability or range?

Chalmers only plays because they can't get anyone else. He stinks. Hell they imported Bibby who passed away 2 years ago

And again I am not saying he will be star or impact player. But a good coach will be able to figure out how to utilize his abilities in a 12-15 minute a game way

We will see.

Great retort.





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This is why I bet this way. I have lost about 15 games in my bracket but everyone of these is alive. How does the furthest big east bet look with Pitt who I said SUCKS being out?

Uh bad?

And I think $670 of those bets are now RIP

poor guy didn't "route" hard enough

32 points for Jimmer last night. 3-15 from 3 point range . 6 turnovers and 5 assists. Helpless on defense against a very average college backcourt as drives to the bucket by whoever Fredette was guarding helped free the florida bigs for easy scores.

What coach could get him 15 minutes a game and who could he guard? There is a reason there hasn't been 6-2 inch white shooting guards in the NBA since the 70's.

He will get drafted and probably even go first round to some team in this awful draft. It won't take long to figure out that he can't play at the next level. He can do his mission in Europe and play hoops at night.

He is a self centered douche of a player. He'll be fine in European leagues.

We'll see...

I just wonder what being white has to do with it? He pretty much has the exact same skill set and is taller than Jameer Nelson.

LOL

Yeah he is a ball hog....

You know what I mean by that.

Quick as Jameer Nelson? Come on. Those are two totally different players. Jameer is a true point guard. Fredette would make Derek Fisher look like Derek Rose.

You f.ucked up not taking Arizona for National Championship. Your UNC bet is dead as f.uck.

shocked UNC opens a dog to Kentucky...we'll see where we settle in the morn.

Yeah Nelson is a true point guard...LOL! He averages less than 5 assists a game for his career.

Do you ever watch these people play?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Fredette-5810/

Fredette shows excellent quickness, outstanding footwork and incredible creativity with the ball in his hands. He creates space to operate about as well as any guard in college basketball not named Kemba Walker, and he is a more complete scorer than Walker in terms of his offensive polish.


I guess I am not the only one seeing this...

Do you watch them chuck? Jameer Nelson averages 6 assists per game this season. Remember, he didn't start until his third year. Every year since then, he has averaged over 5 per game while still playing less than 30 minutes per game. If you weighed iy assists per minute, he is just as good as Tony Parker who is the definition of middle of the road starting NBA pg. How does jameer Nelson compare to jammer fredette??

Do you READ the articles you attach?

"The biggest concern about freddette's transition to the NBA clearly lies on the defensive end. He is a poor defender even at the college level showing average length, heavy feet and unimpressive lateral quickness."

F Jimmer. Kemba Walker is so clearly the best player in college basketball this year. It's not even close.

Oh ok Jameer Nelson isnt an undersized, shoot first PG. Averaging 5 assists a game is hardly the protypical NBA point guard. He did start 55 times his first 2 seasons. I like the guy and think he makes his game work but he isnt a "true" PG at least by any definition I have heard of.

How does Jameer Nelson compare to Jimmer Fredette?
Both played through senior season
Both played for mid majors
Both were scoring PG's in college
Assuming Fredette wins some POY awards as expected both were POY in senior season
Both are undersized for a typical NBA guard
Both averaged 20+ ppg as Seniors
Nelson was drafted 20th/Fredette is projected to go in that range though may wind up higher because of the weakness of this draft
Both can create their own shots
Both are good shooters with 3 point range
Both have great first steps and can split double teams
Neither is a good defender
Nelson is a bit quicker
Fredette is a better shooter
Both are excellent ball handlers

Yeah they are complete opposites

And was there a question that Fredette has issues on the defensive end?

gl heel fans! Cats are playing with house $....... I hope the tour of revenge continues ....:)

Nelson can guard an NBA point guard. Fredette can't guard ANYBODY. Nelson is an adequate defender.
Nelson average just under 6 assists per game in his college career. Fredette averaged 3.7
Nelson is a true point guard. Shoot first, yes, but a point guard. Fredette is an undersized 2 guard that doesn't have the quickness, passing skills or floor reading ability to handle it at the next level. The fact that Nelson is a "bit quicker" makes all the difference in the world at the next level. That is like saying Derek Rose is a "bit quicker" than Derek Fisher at this point. That "bit" is light years and it means the Lakers would need Kobe to cover him. And if Derek Fisher is a "bit slow" what would that make Fredette? A bit crippled?

Comparing a slow white 6 2 shooting guard to a NBA quick 5 11 point guard is getting back into the Delonte West zone as far as silliness.

I have a feeling that with this rack of teams going to the final 4, the tickets will be available for alot less than face value...