I'm bigoted towards old lady's who live in Kentucky and think they are smarter than what they are.

I'm bigoted towards the 100,000,000 Muslim scum that treat women like ****.

I didn't remotely do that.

When you make crap up about other posters, you just look like a liar.

and it is EXTREMELY telling that this is all you pulled out of that post.


go ahead and ignore the sexual mistreatment of 98% of foreign women and 83% of Egyptian women. its your M O

No, that's just being a common biatch.

Who is ignoring that? I posted a article about that very thing early on in this thread. Seems you are a bit late to the party, jumping on that bandwagon.

you're one ridiculous bitch

Sexual harassment is a disgusting practice. But wouldn't you agree that there is a pretty big difference between sexual harassment and what happened here?
Clearly there is a vast cultural divide with regard to the rights of women, but the implication in the thread seemed to be that "Democracy In Egypt" would mean the systematic raping of women. I think its a bit more complicated than that, and I think Riot was correct in pointing out that the weeks of protest without widespread reports of rape shouldn't be tossed aside by this one - admittedly horrendous - incident.

I don't think anybody is saying that an Egyptian democracy will mean a state where women are afforded equal rights. But that doesn't mean it will automatically be a society where women are raped all the time (or where rape is viewed as acceptable) either.

You don't like being on the receiving end of ridiculous crap from other posters? Using your own words? Poor you.

Stop trying to inject reason, sanity and thought about a real and serious subject into a "bash Riot" thread.

Last Word

I laughed. At you thinking you deserve that respect.

Well....when people ask you to explain a point that you made and you refuse to do so and instead just tell them that they're "full of ****" I'm not going to feel all that sorry for you.

That is why it is extremely important that outside interests make sure that a strict version of Islam is not put in place in Egypt. It is very important that the Muslim Brotherhood, or people with those ideals (Sharia Law) stay out of Egyptian politics.

Because with Sharia Law, and the 100,000,000 Muslims who practice / believe that... rape is acceptable. You are ALLOWED to rape your wife. and if you rape women, she will be punished for "fornication".. sometimes with the death penalty.

It is important that we dont turn a blind eye to these disgusting practices that occur in the Middle East every day.

But I'm just a bigot, so what do i know!

also, sexual harrassment in Egypt seems a little bit different than our definition over here.. Women get groped in public, treated like lower class, are generally considered to not be on the same stature as men.

It seems unlikely that they'll be kept "out." If a parliamentary system is what they end up with, it seems likely that the Muslim Brotherhood will win some seats. How many is, of course, impossible to know, but I don't see how they could be kept out entirely.

Yeah. Because saying, "Glad she'll be okay" was really evil of me.

And maybe you should go back and read the beginning of this thread, and count all those people asking me to explain that point? And who was insulting and attacking who?

That's not what she was asking you to explain.
She asked about your football celebration example, and you refused to explain.

That's fine I guess, but I'm not sure why you're surprised when people "bash" you when you insist on behaving in that fashion.

I just hope for the Egyptian people... the women and children especially... that this process goes as well as it can go.

If the wrong people get in power and enforce a strict version of Islam, there will not only be danger for the people of Egypt (especially the women / children), but for the entire world.

Last thing we need is another Ahmadinejad in a country like Egypt.

Strange attitude you have about who is allowed to say what. Someone spends several posts dissing me and insulting me, then suddenly pretends they want to have a serious conversation, and I should just ignore their behaviour a few minutes prior?

Have you read this thread? Go back to page one, read it through, and count how "badly" I've behaved.

Listen you dumb biatch you said you were "glad she was all right" not that 'she was all right'! Quote me right!

and from KY glad you know she's all right. Again when in America have 200 men of any religion banned up and sexually attacked a woman? Tell us again how great Egypt is compared to the rest of Muslim countries!

On behalf of the reporter and all women GFY!

it's an impossible arguement for her to win.

so expect a "Nah, I think you are full of ****" response

I don't know what you mean by this.

In the post you quoted from me I said that I thought it was "fine" that you chose not to respond. Obviously you're free to say whatever you want, but behavior has consequences.

I have strongly disagreed with Antitrust dozens of times on here. I think she's a right-wing nut and I'm sure she thinks I'm a lefty lunatic, but our discussions and debates are almost always civil and reasonable.
Yours aren't.
Why do you think that is?

miraj... I disagree with about 85% of everything the Republicans come up with! I think Clinton (while he had a lot of problems) was 10 times the president that GW was!

I consider myself very fiscally conservative... and I do not consider republicans to be fiscally conservative.

Plus I am semi pro choice and a lesbian!! I take offense to being in the same category of Nascar and my good buddy del!

with that said..

I'd much rather be called a right wing nut than a liberal any day of the week ;)

I know.
I was just trying to make the point that we disagree a lot.
I'm well aware of the vast difference between you and people like Nascar and del.

You're one of my favorite people to argue with on here because since you actually THINK about things, I'm arrogant enough to believe I still have a chance of converting you on an issue or two. I'm not going to argue much with those other guys. What's the point?

GFY, Dell.

I didn't say that, you fool. I was referring to violence in democracy.

I'm sure that all women, and Lara would have preferred you express some remorse for her getting attacked, rather than just co-opting her attack as part of your "I hate Muslim" meme.

It's interesting - rather arrogant - that you think you speak for all women.

thats what I like to say to straight girls :)


I didnt really take offense... I just wanted to be able to throw in that liberal line :D


but yeah, I enjoy a good political debate with people on all sides of the spectrum. Sometimes you learn new things! and there are always lots of different situations that can affect your judgement.

like this for example:

I watched a 3 hour documentary on Reagan the other night and couldnt believe how similar he and GW Bush are. I was just a baby for the Reagan years and just listened to my Dad when it involved Reagan (my dad loves Reagan).

But Star Wars!?!? :zz::zz: what a waste of money

And I had no idea the debt when from 997 billion to 2.85 trillion during those years.

We went from being the largest international creditors to the largest international debtors during the 80's.

Ending the cold war was a very good thing... but Gorbechev (sp?) deserves as much credit for that as Reagan.

And dont let me get started on Iran-Contra.

I'm cutting myself reading this thread.

You chastize me for what you perceive to be unacceptable responses on my part, but you don't say a word about the same behaviour here in others. That's a strange set of social standards you hold. I'm quite happy to treat other posters here precisely as they treat me.

Oh Lara? Now you know her well enough to call her by first name? Yea I'm sure she'd hate me bashing what happened including her muslim attackers and was glad to take one for the team. :zz::zz:

How ironic will it be if the new military government, as one of its first actions, outlaws protests? :zz::zz:

That's not the argument I made, though, is it?

And you wonder why I think you are full of ****, and call you on it?

Well, I could refer to her as "that reporter", as you do. How dare I give her a name and face!

Who here said that? Nobody I've seen. Including me. I never remotely supported her attackers, did I?

because you have a brain the size of a pea?

Nice try to deflect away from you being caught misstating what I said.

you have issues...

gotta go..

goodnight and dont take things so damn personal if you want to dish it like you do.

I guess your silence regarding blame of any kind (except DT posters) and the fact you thought your Lara, who has a face and name to you, was all right leads me to believe, at least in your mind, little harm was done when in fact every one of the MFers who took part need to be castrated. I challenge you to quote anytime you balmed the 200 or for that matter said anything derogatory whatsoever.

It's (you're) all right, Obama has done almost the same..:D

I have very few "issues", personal or otherwise, or it's doubtful I'd be here.
Hey! Why don't you try not making it about other posters for a change? See how that goes for you. Because some of you really don't appear to like being on the receiving end of your own behaviours. It might work for ya.

All the blame is on the attackers. Oh, wow! Who would have thought anybody would think that, unless they said it!??? Crazy stuff!

The blame is not on all Egyptians.

Only if you completely ignore the posts I wrote to you saying it wasn't.

are you kidding me? Where the F is the blame other than the US.

Glad she'll be okay?

I'd bet she (Lara) would want to punch you in the face! Rather than worry about bashing muslims.

That post had no blame on the US for Lara's attack. Are you crazy? Try reading the next two posts I wrote to you, too. You know, where I said how horrific her attack was, that others were attacked too, that there was no excuse for her attackers, and again, that blaming all Muslim Egyptians for her attack is despicable.

Let's put this in really clear terms, Dell, so you won't continue to misunderstand and falsely represent what I think about this:

The attack on Lara Logan was terrible, horrific, and her attacker should suffer five times what she did, then be tortured to death. Yes, I'm very glad she'll be okay, in that the possibilities and closeness of that call were horrible, that she was rescued by Egyptians (who were probably Muslim!) and soldiers (who were probably Muslims, too!)

The attack is not representative of Egyptians, or Muslims, or Muslim Egyptians, or Christian Egyptians, or of democracy - it is representative of violent attackers. Violent attackers exist in democracy, too. The referral to Egyptians celebrating democracy by beating and rape was a despicable slam on all Egyptians.

Got it now, Dell? Now, if you want to continue to talk about this, tell me what you think about this op-ed. I posted it early in the thread. It's titled, "What not to say about Lara Logan".

http://www.salon.com/news/media_crit..._rape_reaction

I know you will click and read the whole thing, but here is an excerpt: