we got 'Cartered'

Hey, I didn't say that it was the "best" or "right" course of action. I don't think anyone in the state dept would claim that this strategy is a lasting solution. At the same time, over history, the US has found a viable puppet to stand in and play "leader" in destabilized third world countries at least for a little while.

You bring up the Shah and he played ball too well for his own good. He wasn't a US find but we certainly endorsed him for the 30 some odd years he was in power.

History has a way of repeating itself. I see this recent Egypt scenario strikingly similar to what happened in Iran in 1979 - the beginning of all our problems with terrorists.

can we send obama there to live till this is sorted out?

Freedom Allah!

In a secular way. :D

I think that started after Muhommad was invented.

that or after Jews were given part of the middle east.

No, I only called your talk (not you, so stop lying about what I said) hateful when it's prejudiced and bigoted.

Keep trying. But I don't think anybody is buying your victimhood.

But I think Egypt is alot more resistant to terrorism and Islamic extremism. The Muslim and small Christian communities share religious tolerance very well there, and the MB there (only in Egypt) is intolerant of violence. Granted, a strong dictatorship doesn't allow terrorism, so a vacuum is what would be feared. Certainly that is a worry. Right now, there are not heavy extremist elements in the country. The army is conscription and beloved and trusted by the people (better be, because they've essentially had a coup)

Jimmy Crackcorn and I dont care.

We can only hope that it does not progress to something that we have to worry about. There's enough on our plate already.

Tell me how the MB as you call it I prefer MUSLIM brotherhood is anyway secular? And I capitalized MUSLIM because I thought that meant a belief in Islam? Guess we shall go real deep and I thought Islam is a belief in Muhammad. Are secular egyptians who are muslims and thus part of the MB as you call it fans of Muhammad Ali?

Dell goes off on some weird tangent caused by his inability to understand what other people write. Again.
????? I never said it was secular.

Just crazy, aren't you?

Ditto. Fingers crossed in a big way.

egypt historically has been a lot friendlier to other religions, unlike many other countries in that region. here's hoping it continues. also, here's hoping egypt is the better for this revolt in the end. guess we'll see how it all goes.

In early Feb, when Mubarak sent the police in to beat the protestors, even the Muslims were beaten when at prayer in public. The Christians started circling the Muslims when they stopped to pray, to protect them while they were praying It was pretty amazing and cool to see that.

A peaceful revolt - absolutely amazing. What a great time in history for them.

LMAO. I see why Dell thinks so highly of you.

I am in agreement with you. Didn't the US give all that aid to Iran before they took our people hostage?

Obama dropping the ball? Something new to me. Obama is on a basketball court thinking it is a golf course

sorry I get you and that Rachel Maddow confused all the time. She said it not you so carry-on. BTW how's that Ground Zero mosque coming along? Should be built by now. No?

union problems

Good article. But, then, I like most anthing Charles Krauthammer pens -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021005339.html

No, you just can't read. You made yourself look silly.

I agree that Krauthammer can be very sharp about many things, but here he conflates Islam with radical Islamic movements, not being very specific about the difference.

I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are another story. The two are not one and the same.

The agenda and end result is the same - the way they go about it is different

Some one has something in common with you.

Just want to double check what you mean.

I wrote: "I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are another story. The two are not one and the same."

Are you saying radical Islam and terrorists are one and the same? Or that Muslim Americans and all Muslims are the same as radical Islam/terrorists?

shut up

[quote=Riot;751923]Just want to double check what you mean.

I wrote: "I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are another story. The two are not one and the same."

Are you saying radical Islam and terrorists are one and the same? Or that Muslim Americans and all Muslims are the same as radical Islam/terrorists?[/QUOTE]

Their agenda is the same - the terrorists are impatient; non-violent Muslims true to their religion employ stealth jihad. Nothing explains it better (for me, anyway) than this article -

http://www.legion.org/magazine/9907/stealth-jihad

"While Shariah deems jihad to be the personal obligation of every faithful Muslim capable of performing it – man or woman, young or old – they can forgo the violent form when it is deemed impracticable. In such circumstances, the struggle can be pursued through means that are, at least temporarily, non-violent. Taken together, the latter constitute what renowned author and expert Robert Spencer calls “stealth jihad.” Adherents to Shariah call it “dawah.” "

Doreen thinks:
Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

That is patently unfair and untrue. Just because I don't fall into lock step with what you believe does not make me a bigot, and I resent such an accusation. You are not the owner of all the answers.

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

There is a lengthy white paper report on the subject that I suggest you take the time to read if the Stealth Jihad article was not to your liking.

http://europenews.dk/files/Shariah%2...2009142010.pdf

:tro::tro::tro: You go girl. Next Riot will call you a hateful person.

She already implied as much by calling me a religious bigot.:mad:

Nonsense. Muslims no more want to "dominate the world" than Jews or Christians. The vast majority of Muslims, and Muslim leaders, don't take a literal interpretation of the Quran, and have clearly stated and acted so. Exactly as the vast majority of Christians disregard the violence and literal nonsense in their bible.

The "worldwide domination" and "stealth Jihad" crap is fear mongering intolerance and ignorance of this entire religion plain and clear. Good luck with that. The rest of us don't have to tolerate it, however. This country was founded on religious freedom and tolerance, and doesn't abide - nor does it have to - by those with no respect for the freedom of one's fellow Americans, or the Constitution.

"The rest of us" pay heed to the warning signals.

And, just where in anything I have said am I denying religious freedom to anyone. Honestly, Riot, you do turn ugly when someone disagrees with you.

Half of the people who post here (Politics) turn ugly when they are disagreed with...admit it. Randall's calling people morons who don't agree with his econ stuff, NASCAR..well..enough said, etc, etc.

Nice try. It's not about me - it's about how YOU are seen treating our fellow Americans. YOU indeed turn ugly when it comes to discussing Muslims. YOU have no respect or tolerance for their religion. YOU are calling your fellow Americans terrorists and extremists. YOU are labeling billions of people, from across the world, with different beliefs, into one narrow category of terrorist and extremist.

But that fits into the current neocon mindset of fear: at CPAC the religious leaders called for tolerance, but here's how the conference finished with that crazy ex-Col. West yammering on:

"Definitive American culture" is proudly a melting pot. Not bigotry and intolerance, and a war on "multiculturalism". And Muslims.

Thats ok with me. Im not the one who thinks they are right all the time.

lmao
self awareness isn't your strong suit, is it?

You have neither read nor processed one word of what I wrote. I am not calling every Muslim an extremist or a terrorist. I am saying that worldwide domination is the ultimate agenda of Islam, and it just doesn't entail religion. It's a way of life, politics, economy, and zero tolerance for anyone else's way of life. This needn't be accomplished by terroristic means but by stealth and propagation of the faith and moving into many countries around the world where a political foothold can be achieved.

To borrow a phrase from you, "Get a clue."

Great book.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2140135/posts