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Bigsmc 01-09-2011 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 740969)
Archer will be definitely the one to watch.
It will be interesting with Chirinos.
As for the other 2...bleh!
Why the bleh for Lee? I know very little about him and we are only getting the Rays side down here. You'd think they ruined the Cubs for the next decade if you believe the glowing reports of these prospects.

Crown@club 01-09-2011 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 741091)
Why the bleh for Lee? I know very little about him and we are only getting the Rays side down here. You'd think they ruined the Cubs for the next decade if you believe the glowing reports of these prospects.
Even though Lee just turns 21 this year, and still has time to grow. But he just had .705 OPS at Single A this past year. He's very fast, so he can cover a lot of ground at SS. Overall I'm thinking he's just a future version of Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus.

Archer looks like the real deal though, and he is the key.

Cubs have been ruined for a long time, but they have other prospects to handle their future.

I'm sure if the Yanks were willing to give up Montero/Romine, Nunez and a decent pitching prospect, the Rays would had jumped on that first.

Bigsmc 01-09-2011 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 741128)
Even though Lee just turns 21 this year, and still has time to grow. But he just had .705 OPS at Single A this past year. He's very fast, so he can cover a lot of ground at SS. Overall I'm thinking he's just a future version of Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus.

Archer looks like the real deal though, and he is the key.

Cubs have been ruined for a long time, but they have other prospects to handle their future.

I'm sure if the Yanks were willing to give up Montero/Romine, Nunez and a decent pitching prospect, the Rays would had jumped on that first.
Thanks.

The Rays minor league system is stocked and they just keep adding to it, but that won't help them too much this year when they won't be able to hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Longoria isn't going to see 10 decent pitches all year, they have nothing to protect him. Starting pitching? Fine. Bullpen? :wf:wf

Cannon Shell 01-10-2011 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 741128)
Even though Lee just turns 21 this year, and still has time to grow. But he just had .705 OPS at Single A this past year. He's very fast, so he can cover a lot of ground at SS. Overall I'm thinking he's just a future version of Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus.

Archer looks like the real deal though, and he is the key.

Cubs have been ruined for a long time, but they have other prospects to handle their future.

I'm sure if the Yanks were willing to give up Montero/Romine, Nunez and a decent pitching prospect, the Rays would had jumped on that first.
Larry Bowa was a 5 time all star

Montero alone would have been enough you'd have to think. It isnt like Garza is Roy Halladay

Cannon Shell 01-10-2011 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 741146)
Thanks.

The Rays minor league system is stocked and they just keep adding to it, but that won't help them too much this year when they won't be able to hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Longoria isn't going to see 10 decent pitches all year, they have nothing to protect him. Starting pitching? Fine. Bullpen? :wf:wf
I kinda (because they are usually overstated) understand the financial issues they have but the tact they are taking surely isnt going to help them attract more fans.

What will be interesting is to see how the Royals mega-stacked system fares in major league terms 2013-2015

Crown@club 01-10-2011 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 741366)
Larry Bowa was a 5 time all star

Montero alone would have been enough you'd have to think. It isnt like Garza is Roy Halladay
If things go like people think it may go, Garza may have been the best starting pitcher available at trade deadline which isn't really saying much will be available at that time. But you're right Garza may be at best a possible #2 maybe #3 starting pitcher. (I don't get the big deal on Nunez anyways. I guess you have to be a Yankee fan) In Garza, you at least have a 27 year old with a few years left on a reasonable contract.

Bowa's 5 All-Star years
.298 OBP, .636 OPS
.334, .711 both career best
.283, .584
.319, .689
.316, .630

Sure this was in the age of the non-hitting SS, but the kid would have to be a defensive whiz to even sniff (along with multiple players declining invitations) to be an all-star with those numbers these days.

Bigsmc 01-11-2011 04:09 AM
Beyond the stats, Garza is great guy to have on your team. He's an intense competitor on the field (sometimes to his detriment), he's very loose on the bench, but has his team's back as he'll be the first one to jump on an umpire or opposing player from the bench.

His new teammates will love him, which I think they can use from the Zambrano debacle the last few years.

MaTH716 01-22-2011 07:34 AM
Busy morning, looking like Manny and Damon to Tampa

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6045200


Vernon Wells to the Halos

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=6046548

Bigsmc 01-22-2011 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 745121)
Busy morning, looking like Manny and Damon to Tampa

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6045200


Vernon Wells to the Halos

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=6046548
Damon :)

Manny :rolleyes:

MaTH716 01-22-2011 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 745130)
Damon :)

Manny :rolleyes:
Manny at 2 mil for the season is almost like a lottery ticket. Besides as long as he isn't a total failure/cancer in the locker room, you would think someone would trade for him at the deadline (that is if the Rays are out of it).

Bigsmc 01-22-2011 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 745132)
Manny at 2 mil for the season is almost like a lottery ticket. Besides as long as he isn't a total failure/cancer in the locker room, you would think someone would trade for him at the deadline (that is if the Rays are out of it).

They'll be out of it.

I have no problem with Manny on the field. He's an attention whore that I would not want around young players, off the field.

MaTH716 01-22-2011 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 745134)
They'll be out of it.

I have no problem with Manny on the field. He's an attention whore that I would not want around young players, off the field.
Yeah, but Damon is the opposite (and could keep Manny in check) and you would think that everyone knows that it's Longoria's and Price's team and they seem to have their heads screwed on straight. Also, I don't see Maddon taking any kind of crap from Manny, so it could really be a one strike and he's out policy. But like I said at 2 million, it's a fairly cheap gamble.

wiphan 06-13-2011 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 735465)
No love for Greinke to the brewers. Finally a legit starting rotation. Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, and Wolf. Nice to see Melvin and Antanasio put the chips in the pot for once. Watch out for the crew in 2011.
Here comes the crew! Miller Park was off the hook this weekend.

slotdirt 06-15-2011 09:13 AM
How good is Justin Verlander? That is all.

horseofcourse 06-15-2011 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 784638)
How good is Justin Verlander? That is all.
He's best in AL right now, but Indians at moment can't score against anyone. They could do nothing against the 4 non-Sabathia Yankee starters. In June Indians have been shut out more times than they have won. Sort of a gimme shutout for Justin last night!

slotdirt 06-15-2011 03:19 PM
Fair enough. How many starters can you remember, well, ever that can still bust out a 99 MPH fastball with regularity in the 9th inning? His stuff is unbelievable.

horseofcourse 06-15-2011 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 784743)
Fair enough. How many starters can you remember, well, ever that can still bust out a 99 MPH fastball with regularity in the 9th inning? His stuff is unbelievable.
True, few if any are close to him in AL. He is approaching Halladay level good right now. He alone makes Tigers overwhelming favorites in that division I believe. Hard for that team to have long losing strings.

randallscott35 06-15-2011 05:06 PM
Another win for Kendrick today Chucky. Going on quite a few decisions in his career and well over .500.

Antitrust32 06-15-2011 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 784767)
Another win for Kendrick today Chucky. Going on quite a few decisions in his career and well over .500.
He's actually settled into his new role (long man for the bullpen and spot starter) quite well. He still has his Kendrick moments, but he's not a bad spot starter. I think he went 7 innings today and gave up 1 run. He needs to keep palling around Halladay any chance he gets. We're lucky to have three guys who can fill the #5 starter roll on any given day (minus Blanton right now)

GPK 06-28-2011 09:25 AM
Always a little odd to see a team like San Fran lead the division, but yet still have a negative run differential.

Of the other 5 divisions, the smallest margin in run differential is +20 by the Texas Rangers in the AL West. San Fran leads the NL West, but is -4

MaTH716 06-28-2011 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 787495)
Always a little odd to see a team like San Fran lead the division, but yet still have a negative run differential.

Of the other 5 divisions, the smallest margin in run differential is +20 by the Texas Rangers in the AL West. San Fran leads the NL West, but is -4
Slow morning in Roanoke?

GPK 06-28-2011 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 787497)
Slow morning in Roanoke?
Yeah. Was asked last week to play golf today, so I took a personal day off so that I could and then the c*cksuckers change their minds and are playing tomorrow. Just hanging out until 1:30 til I go get Amelia.:{>::{>:

slotdirt 07-08-2011 09:48 PM
David Ortiz with easily the worst mound charge this side of Robin Ventura I've ever seen.

Alabama Stakes 07-08-2011 09:57 PM
Phil Bradley charging the mound against Al Nipper was a huge mistake by the 6'3" slugger

MaTH716 07-08-2011 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 789568)
David Ortiz with easily the worst mound charge this side of Robin Ventura I've ever seen.
That was just stupidity on both players parts.
Really, who the F*ck is Kevin Gregg and who gives a s.hit what he thinks? He's a nobody.
As far as Papi goes, pitchers are allowed to pitch inside. Deal with it and stop being such a bitch.

Bigsmc 07-09-2011 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 789586)
That was just stupidity on both players parts.
Really, who the F*ck is Kevin Gregg and who gives a s.hit what he thinks? He's a nobody.
As far as Papi goes, pitchers are allowed to pitch inside. Deal with it and stop being such a bitch.
:tro::tro:

Fine work. I am sick of players in their body armor crowding the plate only to bitch, whine and pose like a tough guy when somebody misses the inside corner by a fraction of an inch.

slotdirt 07-11-2011 09:55 AM
For two roidheads, Gregg and Ortiz couldn't make contact to save their lives. Seriously, those two looked like they wanted to hug each other more than throw punches. WHere's Robert Fick when you need him?

wiphan 09-06-2011 04:32 PM
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No love for Greinke to the brewers. Finally a legit starting rotation. Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, and Wolf. Nice to see Melvin and Antanasio put the chips in the pot for once. Watch out for the crew in 2011.
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Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 731339)
I suppose that guys arent banging down the door to go there but this is simply way too long and too much for a late blooming, non-star player. This is the type of deals Steinbrenner would make. Fans arent flocking to see Werth. The fact that he turns 32 in May makes it even worse than just overpaying. he had his best season this past year but at age 32 in a theoretically lesser juiced era there probably isnt much more improvement coming.

The average Jason werth season is .280 with 25 HR and 90 Rbi's
He has some defensive versitility as he can play center adequately

Washington has some talented guys coming through the system and have done a much better job drafting like tampa did in their rise to promeninence. But they never made a terrible deal like this that 4 years from now when Washington may be good they will be saddled with a 36 year old guy with so so power in decline making 20+ million a year, and still have 3 years left.
Jason Werth 2011
.229 avg
.333 obp
.391 slg
18 HR's
53 rbi's
24 2bs
.725 OPS
60 runs
16 sb

6 more years lol

wiphan 09-07-2011 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 805442)
Jason Werth 2011
.229 avg
.333 obp
.391 slg
18 HR's
53 rbi's
24 2bs
.725 OPS
60 runs
16 sb

6 more years lol
Would you pay Fielder? I don't think the Crew has a shot to keep him, but would you pay him $20-25mil for 6-8yrs?

MaTH716 09-07-2011 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 805442)
Jason Werth 2011
.229 avg
.333 obp
.391 slg
18 HR's
53 rbi's
24 2bs
.725 OPS
60 runs
16 sb

6 more years lol
Nothing to do with Werth,
But what the hell is the story with Joe Mauer? I know he has had some leg issues, he has 2 hr's and is getting 23 million a year until 2018? It can't all be the stadium, right?

slotdirt 09-07-2011 11:07 AM
If I were a team who had that kind of dough, I would.

Tigers have something like $25 million coming off the payroll this year. Should be players in various free agents.

Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 735465)
No love for Greinke to the brewers. Finally a legit starting rotation. Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, and Wolf. Nice to see Melvin and Antanasio put the chips in the pot for once. Watch out for the crew in 2011.
:tro:

Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 740551)
Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

•Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 7 IP, 8 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K. A disappointment for most of the year but finishing with a flurry; one run allowed in two Triple-A starts. 9/2

Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Double-A Montgomery): 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 4 K. Control continues to be the only issue, as the stuff to be a good big league starter is there. 8/17

top 50 minor league prospects ranking as of 8/6
19. Hak-Ju Lee, SS, Rays (Preseason: NR)
Has exploded with the Rays by hitting for average, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing a solid shortstop with an outstanding arm. Shortstops that can hit at the top of the order are worth their weight in gold.


Acquired in the Matt Garza trade, Chirinos is the third piece of the return to reach the majors for the Rays this season, joining Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer. At first blush, Chirinos’ .265/.341/.378 line appears mediocre, but if you break it down month-by-month he looks better:

April: .176/.253/.191
May: .333/.380/.424
June: .256/.344/.385
July: .324/.419/.622


Brandon Guyer, OF, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 4-for-4, 2 2B, 4 R, R, BB, SB. Has been slumping of late, but still hitting .316/.390/.513 overall in 76 games.


So far looking great for the Rays

Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 805443)
Would you pay Fielder? I don't think the Crew has a shot to keep him, but would you pay him $20-25mil for 6-8yrs?
Obviously it depends on the team but a 6 years at 25, yeah i'd do it

Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 805444)
Nothing to do with Werth,
But what the hell is the story with Joe Mauer? I know he has had some leg issues, he has 2 hr's and is getting 23 million a year until 2018? It can't all be the stadium, right?
He has been hurt all year
He will bounce back though moving him from behind the plate does take away from his value even if it may keep him healthier

Bigsmc 09-07-2011 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 805448)
•Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 7 IP, 8 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K. A disappointment for most of the year but finishing with a flurry; one run allowed in two Triple-A starts. 9/2

Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Double-A Montgomery): 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 4 K. Control continues to be the only issue, as the stuff to be a good big league starter is there. 8/17

top 50 minor league prospects ranking as of 8/6
19. Hak-Ju Lee, SS, Rays (Preseason: NR)
Has exploded with the Rays by hitting for average, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing a solid shortstop with an outstanding arm. Shortstops that can hit at the top of the order are worth their weight in gold.


Acquired in the Matt Garza trade, Chirinos is the third piece of the return to reach the majors for the Rays this season, joining Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer. At first blush, Chirinos’ .265/.341/.378 line appears mediocre, but if you break it down month-by-month he looks better:

April: .176/.253/.191
May: .333/.380/.424
June: .256/.344/.385
July: .324/.419/.622


Brandon Guyer, OF, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 4-for-4, 2 2B, 4 R, R, BB, SB. Has been slumping of late, but still hitting .316/.390/.513 overall in 76 games.


So far looking great for the Rays
As brutal as Garza has been, it looks like a no brainer (right now). The Rays rarely miss on their trades which is why the Cubs are rumored to making a run at Andrew Friedman. I don't think Friedman would leave for anything less than the Yankees job. He'll (hopefully) stay loyal to Stu Sternberg and stay.

Crown@club 09-08-2011 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 805459)
As brutal as Garza has been, it looks like a no brainer (right now). The Rays rarely miss on their trades which is why the Cubs are rumored to making a run at Andrew Friedman. I don't think Friedman would leave for anything less than the Yankees job. He'll (hopefully) stay loyal to Stu Sternberg and stay.
Garza has been brutal? His ERA is currently the lowest of his career.

Bigsmc 12-09-2011 02:44 PM
Rays lock up Moore
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/73...4-million-deal

:D


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