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slotdirt 11-07-2010 10:25 AM

If one reads Seth Hancock's comments on Blame, he agrees that his horse is the obvious choice. I think Blame deserves it, but think there are way too many turf writers out there who think Zenyatta needs some sort of lifetime achievement award that Blame is going to finish second.

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719032)
I know what HOY, but now Im asking you a serious question. Do you think Blame is better?

I don't know. I think it's close either way. If she's better than him it's not by much.

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 719033)
If one reads Seth Hancock's comments on Blame, he agrees that his horse is the obvious choice. I think Blame deserves it, but think there are way too many turf writers out there who think Zenyatta needs some sort of lifetime achievement award that Blame is going to finish second.


This is really all Im saying, I agree with this thinking...

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719037)
This is really all Im saying, I agree with this thinking...

And it's terrible, idiotic, completely unjust thinking if you believe she should get it as a lifetime achievement award.

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 719039)
And it's terrible, idiotic, completely unjust thinking if you believe she should get it as a lifetime achievement award.


I think I would agree Blame had a better year. He beat QR on the square... He won the CLassic. I would not have any problem if they give it to Z though. I think its legit that it could happen.

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719044)
I think I would agree Blame had a better year. I would not have any problem if they give it to Z though.

How on earth do you write these two sentences in one post about HORSE OF THE YEAR?

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 719067)
How on earth do you write these two sentences in one post about HORSE OF THE YEAR?

You know what Im trying to say.
Its an injustice if she never gets a HOY awards. Blame is slow and would be the worst HOY I can recall, likely ever.... Give it to big Z.

horseofcourse 11-07-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 719033)
If one reads Seth Hancock's comments on Blame, he agrees that his horse is the obvious choice. I think Blame deserves it, but think there are way too many turf writers out there who think Zenyatta needs some sort of lifetime achievement award that Blame is going to finish second.

Isn't hall of fame the lifetime achievement award and not HOY?? I dont' get that. Zenyatta will will certainly get her lifetime achievement award when that time comes. It would be comparable to Nebraska winning the national championship in 1994 as people felt sorry for Osborne for never having won one at that point instead of giving it to the best team.

Princess Doreen 11-07-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719044)
I think I would agree Blame had a better year. He beat QR on the square... He won the CLassic. I would not have any problem if they give it to Z though. I think its legit that it could happen.

I think it could happen, but it wouldn't be legit.

Princess Doreen 11-07-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 719075)
Isn't hall of fame the lifetime achievement award and not HOY?? I dont' get that. Zenyatta will will certainly get her lifetime achievement award when that time comes. It would be comparable to Nebraska winning the national championship in 1994 as people felt sorry for Osborne for never having won one at that point instead of giving it to the best team.

Zenyatta and Rachel will be up for Hall of Fame nomination in the same year. The voting on that will be interesting.

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 719081)
I think it could happen, but it wouldn't be legit.


The sport would be saved from its worst HOY ever.

horseofcourse 11-07-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719086)
The sport would be saved from its worst HOY ever.

Really? The horse was babied a bit, but 9 for 13 and never out of the money in his career isn't disastrous. He beat older's twice on two different surfaces quite easily at 3. He's pretty good.

Princess Doreen 11-07-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719086)
The sport would be saved from its worst HOY ever.

You have to start thinking with your head instead of your heart.

Why did the Moss's decide to send Zenyatta to the BC? Answer - a win would sew up HOY. That's been their frustrated quest for the past 3 years. She didn't get it done. Should she win HOY based on lifetime achievement? That isn't what HOY is about, and you know it. Her races prior to the Classic were not worthy of HOY contemplation. A loss in the Classic, regardless of how close she came to winning, is not a good enough reason to vote her HOY. I would be surprised if she does win. Not saying it's not possible - just not probable.

Indian Charlie 11-07-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 719075)
Isn't hall of fame the lifetime achievement award and not HOY?? I dont' get that. Zenyatta will will certainly get her lifetime achievement award when that time comes. It would be comparable to Nebraska winning the national championship in 1994 as people felt sorry for Osborne for never having won one at that point instead of giving it to the best team.

Now you understand the concept of Zenyattard!

DaTruth 11-07-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 718816)
Well, we already know how dummies like Joe Drape and Jay Hovdey are voting, so I'd say Zenyatta is still going to get HOTY for beating Switch and Rinterval a few times. Whether she deserves it for her 2010 campaign or not is an entirely different conversation.

I doubt that Drape and Hovdey voted for RA last year.

Dahoss 11-07-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719086)
The sport would be saved from its worst HOY ever.

This is a truly bad opinion. Get some perspective man, a lot happened before 2003.

LARHAGE 11-07-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719086)
The sport would be saved from its worst HOY ever.


It's funny you think Quality Road and Lookin at Lucky would be worthy, yet Blame literally knocks Lookin at Lucky out of the way, and a search party is looking for Quality Road and Blame who urinated on both of them
isn't worthy?

dalakhani 11-07-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719086)
The sport would be saved from its worst HOY ever.

Charismatic?

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 03:03 PM

Go to Blames FB page. Not only is he HOY, but he is the greatest warrior to race yesterday....

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 719121)
Charismatic?


He did win 2/3 the triple crown...
Id rather see Eskendereya win it, he is forgotten, but still the best horse that ran this year.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719335)
He did win 2/3 the triple crown...
Id rather see Eskendereya win it, he is forgotten, but still the best horse that ran this year.

you know what you are?

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719348)
you know what you are?

A genius? Brillant Horse racing mind? Your bodyguard? Your BFF?
Pleast tell me?

Indian Charlie 11-07-2010 04:08 PM

Stupid.

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719071)
You know what Im trying to say.
Its an injustice if she never gets a HOY awards. Blame is slow and would be the worst HOY I can recall, likely ever.... Give it to big Z.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

CSC 11-07-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 719071)
You know what Im trying to say.
Its an injustice if she never gets a HOY awards. Blame is slow and would be the worst HOY I can recall, likely ever.... Give it to big Z.

This post caught my attention, when I think back to last year, I didn't think Blame would have made a good training pony for Summer Bird, now obviously he has improved this year, just adding Gomez was improvement enough. But had Summer Bird not been hurt last year, and yes I know I may be somewhat biased, he would have cleaned up the male division this year. He was still improving as a 3 year old and at 4 with those connections, wacky owner and all, he would have had a campaign that would have made Cigar proud. There would be no question who the HOY would be for 2010.

Merlinsky 11-07-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 719111)
I doubt that Drape and Hovdey voted for RA last year.

Does Drape have time to vote, what with his detective work on the drugs and awfulness that become super important before all the major racing events?

Cannon Shell 11-07-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 719755)
This post caught my attention, when I think back to last year, I didn't think Blame would have made a good training pony for Summer Bird, now obviously he has improved this year, just adding Gomez was improvement enough. But had Summer Bird not been hurt last year, and yes I know I may be somewhat biased, he would have cleaned up the male division this year. He was still improving as a 3 year old and at 4 with those connections, wacky owner and all, he would have had a campaign that would have made Cigar proud. There would be no question who the HOY would be for 2010.

Actually under the current trend of projecting accomplishment rather than achieving it SB may be the upset choice to be older horse this year. Zenyatta did beat him after all.


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