To me, for a spread player, it is an all race because the traffic trouble in this race will be plentiful, and I'll probably do that on at least a couple tickets.

Right now, if I had to commit to a couple it would be Silver Timber, Bridgetown, Chamberlian Bridge because they will have the tactical speed and still be able to finish.

He's simply the most talented horse in the field when right. He's tactical enough to be where he needs to be and he was much the best when he lost to Silver Timber by a neck going 5.5f earlier this year. Like you said, the outcome of this race will be very trip dependent, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to take the horse(s) I think are the best or offer the most value just because I'm worried they'll get a bad trip. I don't know why Grand Adventure projects to get a bad one, though.

I don't really get the Bridgetown appeal at all. No horse he has beaten has come back to flatter him enough to suggest he can beat the top ones here. I guess you could say that the pace was a little fast last time and maybe the course was anti-speed, but isn't he going to have a lot more pace to contend with this time?

I'll probably bet Ravalo to win unless Grand Adventure is a higher price than I'm expecting. Then I'll use Ravalo, GA, Silver Timber and Central City in exotics.

Did nobody want to put Calvin Borel on a horse in the Classic going 1 1/4 on a track where he's won 3 of the last 4 Derbies at said distance and Pletcher said he's good everywhere else but he's 5 lengths better at Churchill?

I will be leaning on Warriors Reward strongly enough that if my opinion is correct there, and yet I whiff on all the other races, I will still make money.

Loved him in this spot as he should be 4-4 on the CD lawn. Obviously the abscess and missed breeze dampen the enthusiasm. Any update on his status would be appreciated. Thanks!

Morning Line as the ML favorite of the Mile. Battaglia smoking some strong stuff

Who needs Borel when you can sign up Rajiv Maragh - and his $1.27 ROI in dirt routes over the last five years - from over 1,500+ total mounts.

Borel should be on something in every single dirt race.

I can't seem to get to the last page of this thread.. so I figured maybe posting something would work.... let's see....

Juvenile Male Dirt (3:55)
Post Horse Jockey Trainer Odds
1. Biondetti Ahmed Ajtebi Mahmoud Al Zarooni 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova Ramon A. Dominguez Richard E. Dutrow, Jr. 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder Shaun Bridgmohan Albert M. Stall, Jr. 12-1
4. J P's Gusto Patrick A. Valenzuela David E. Hofmans 10-1
5. Riveting Reason Victor Espinoza Myung Kwon Cho 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty Javier Castellano Todd A. Pletcher 8-1
7. Uncle Mo John R. Velazquez Todd A. Pletcher 7-5
8. Murjan Rafael Bejarano Darrin Miller 30-1
9. Rogue Romance Julien Leparoux Kenneth G. McPeek 30-1
10. Jaycito Mike Smith Mike R. Mitchell 8-1

i had the same problem...fixed now

I'm sorry for being obsessed with this, but could this be the worst ML in the history of BC ML's

The horse has never even won at 8 furlongs, and won a 5 horse Penn Derby.

He has to be banging someone at Churchill to be allowed to keep his job.

Its Battaglia, don't fret it.

When will the Past Performances be available from DRF? They still have the advanced PPs on the web-site. Thanks!

It should be good for you if you don't like that horse

There's no way Here Comes Ben and Tizway will be 6-1 either. Scav shouldn't be happy because the race won't be bet how Battaglia thinks it will. Morning Line should be like 8-1.

Why? What percentage of the public is going to bet according to the morning line? Battaglia's line is irrelevant, just fun to laugh at.

A bad morning line helps in horizontal wagers if the horses that you like are considerably higher on the M/L than what their actual odds will be for betting on the race.

Not really.

Ya but there are a lot of rookies betting these races and some bet based on morning lines

No, it doesn't. People are going to bet how they're going to bet, horizontal or otherwise. Morning line makes very little difference, if any. It's an estimate that goes out the window once the pools open, especially giant pools like these.

Happens all the time, especially with a lot of "casual" money in the pool.

Bump...

JUVENILE TURF (1:50p)

1. Typhoon Slew (M. Maker/J. Leparoux) 15-1
2. Deciphering Dreams (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 20-1
3. Mantoba (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 5-1
4. Air Support (C. McGaughey/R. Maragh) 8-1
5. Master of Hounds (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 9-2*
6. Utley (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 6-1
7. Willcox Inn (M. Stidham/J. Velazquez) 20-1
8. Banned (T. Proctor/J. Rosario) 10-1
9. Soldat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 8-1
10. Madman Diaries (W. Ward/J. Sanchez) 12-1
11. Rough Sailing (M. Stidham/R. Napravnik) 15-1
12. Humble and Hungry (I. Correas/O. Peslier) 20-1
13. Pluck (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 6-1

SPRINT (2:30p)

1. Big Drama (D. Fawkes/E. Coa) 7-2
2. Girolamo (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 3-1*
3. Wise Dan (C. Lopresti/R. Bejarano) 10-1
4. Hamazing Destiny (W. Lukas/J. Rosario) 20-1
5. Smiling Tiger (J. Bonde/R. Baze) 6-1
6. Pashito the Che (S. Lake/J. Castellano) 15-1
7. Kinsale King (C. O'Callaghan/M. Garcia) 8-1
8. Cash Refund (S. Margolis/J. Velazquez) 20-1
9. Supreme Summit (D. O'Neill/G. Gomez) 15-1
10. Riley Tucker (S. Asmussen/R. Dominguez) 8-1
11. Atta Boy Roy (V. Lund/C. Borel) 12-1
12. Warrior's Reward (I. Wilkes/J. Leparoux) 12-1

TURF (6:00p)

1. Champ Pegasus (R. Mandella/J. Rosario) 10-1
2. Winchester (C. Clement/C. Velasquez) 8-1
3. Telling (S. Hobby/J. Castellano) 20-1
4. Debussy (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 10-1
5. Al Khali (B. Mott/J. Leparoux) 10-1
6. Workforce (M. Stoute/R. Moore) 7-5
7. Behkabad (J. Roget/C. Lemaire) 9-5
8. Dangerous Midge (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 12-1

MILE (4:40p)

1. Beethoven (O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 20-1
2. Society's Chairman (Attfield/J. Leparoux) 20-1
3. Gio Ponti (C. Clement/R. Dominguez) 4-1
4. Court Vision (R. Dutrow/R. Albarado) 12-1
5. Delegator (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 12-1
6. Paco Boy (R. Hannon/R. Moore) 6-1
7. The Usual Q. T. (J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza) 15-1
8. Get Stormy (T. Bush/J. Castellano) 20-1
9. Sidney's Candy (J. Sadler/J. Rosario) 10-1
10. Goldikova (F. Head/O. Peslier) 6-5*
11. Proviso (B. Mott/M. Smith) 12-1

JUVENILE (3:55p)

1. Biondetti (S. bin Suroor/A. Ajtebi) 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder (A. Stall/S. Bridgmohan) 12-1
4. J P's Gusto (D. Hofmans/P. Valenzuela) 10-1
5. Riveting Reason (M. Cho/V. Espinoza) 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 8-1
7. Uncle Mo (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 7-5*
8. Murjan (J. Suarez/R. Bejarano) 30-1
9. Rogue Romance (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 30-1
10. Jaycito (M. Mitchell/M. Smith) 8-1

DIRT MILE (5:20p)

1. Dakota Phone (J. Hollendorfer/P. Valenzuela) 30-1
2. Tizway (J. Bond/R. Maragh) 6-1
3. Aikenite (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 50-1
4. Mad Flatter (J. Thornbury/J. Court) 12-1
5. Here Comes Ben (C. Lopresti/A. Solis) 6-1
6. Gayego (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 6-1
7. Thiskyhasnolimit (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) 10-1
8. Crown of Thorns (R. Mandella/R. Bejarano) 4-1
9. Hurricane Ike (J. Sadler/C. Borel) 20-1
10. Morning Line (N. Zito/J. Castellano) 7-2*
11. Mine That Bird (W. Lukas/M. Smith) 20-1
12. Vineyard Haven (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 10-1
13. Cool Coal Man (N. Zito/J. Leparoux) 20-1

TURF SPRINT (3:15p)

1. Chamberlain Bridge (B. Calhoun/J. Theriot) 6-1
2. Central City (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 12-1
3. Stradivinsky (R. Dutrow/J. Velazquez) 10-1
4. Unzip Me (M. Jones/R. Bejarano) 8-1
5. Silver Timber (C. Brown/J. Leparoux) 4-1*
6. Waveline (B. Cecil/F. Dettori) 20-1
7. Bridgetown (K. McPeek/E. Trujillo) 12-1
8. Quick Enough (D. O'Neill/P. Valenzuela) 8-1
9. Rose Catherine (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 6-1
10. Due Date (S. Margolis/G. Gomez) 15-1
11. Grand Adventure (M. Frostad/P. Husbands) 12-1
12. California Flag (B. Koriner/V. Espinoza) 12-1
13. Tropic Storm (C. Dollase/D. Flores) 15-1
14. Canadian Ballet (L. Rice/K. Desormeaux) 20-1
AE-15. Yield Bogey (P. Kelly/J-L. Samyn) 50-1

I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

uhhhh ya

I know...it's a joke.

12-1 on Provisio and 6-1 on Lookin at Lucky would be great if I can get those odds on Saturday.

The PP'S not being out has nothing to do with the providers. It's a Breeders' Cup issue. And it seems to happen annually. The overnights release was premature as there was a problem late this afternoon. They are now officially out and likely getting processed by Equibase. The programs should be out soon.

Agreed. You'd think the BC would want to get them up as soon as possible.

The providers are all tied into the same systems and they are losing revenue because of the delay.

drf formulator finally has Friday's card

Pluck is 13??? Pluck...he's plucked.

BC Turf

Euro’s have the advantage here, Workforce, Behkabad and Debussy will be all the rage. All are possible but not liking their probable prices. A very interesting horse is Dangerous Midge, trainer Meehan has reportedly taken his time with him this year, form from his last is very cleverly disguised setting him up for a big race. I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs very well Saturday, best thing about it is no one’s talking about him. 10-1 and beyond is probable. I will back him with some confidence.