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blackthroatedwind 11-02-2010 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715023)
DISTAFF/LADIES CLASSIC (7:30p)

1. Life at Ten (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 7-2
2. It's Tea Time (R. Arnold/J. Leparoux) 15-1
3. Malibu Prayer (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 8-1
4. Milwaukee Appeal (S. Fairlie/R. Bejarano) 30-1
5. Acting Happy (R. Dutrow/J. Lezcano) 20-1
6. Persistently (C. McGaughey/A. Garcia) 12-1
7. Seeking the Title (D. Stewart/C. Borel) 30-1
8. Unrivaled Belle (B. Mott/K. Desormeaux) 8-1
9. Acoma (D. Carroll/R. Albarado) 20-1
10. Blind Luck (J. Hollendorfer/J. Rosario) 9-5*
11. Havre de Grace (A. Dutrow/J. Rose) 4-1

It's Tea Time at 15:1?

That's funny.

Indian Charlie 11-02-2010 01:38 PM

I was kinda hoping the new thing we'd be seeing from Zenyatta was a sudden entry of her into the Marathon.

Oh well.

randallscott35 11-02-2010 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 715034)
It's Tea Time at 15:1?

That's funny.

Somehow Arnold gets bet too often in KY.

Kasept 11-02-2010 01:46 PM

JUVENILE FILLIES TURF (4:50p)

1. Dos Lunas (J. Glenney/J. Court) 30-1
2. Tale Untold (R. Hannon/R. Moore) 15-1
3. Quiet Oasis (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 8-1
4. Kathmanblu (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 10-1
5. Forest Legend (R. Dominguez) 30-1
6. Arch Support (G. Contessa/E. Prado) 20-1
7. Winter Memories (J. Toner) 2-1*
8. Wyomia (D. Vella/R. Bejarano) 12-1
9. Fancy Point (W. Phipps/K. Desormeaux) 15-1
10. New Normal (M. Frostad/J. Castellano) 10-1
11. More Than Real (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 10-1
12. Flood Plain (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 20-1
13. Together (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 5-1
14. Allure D'Amour (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 15-1
AE-15. Nina Fever (W. Ward)[/i] 50-1

blackthroatedwind 11-02-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 715041)
Somehow Arnold gets bet too often in KY.

Not enough in this race to make a 250:1 shot 15:1. Overall, however, you're probably right.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715043)
JUVENILE FILLIES TURF (4:50p)

1. Dos Lunas (J. Glenney/J. Court) 30-1
2. Tale Untold (R. Hannon/R. Moore) 15-1
3. Quiet Oasis (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 8-1
4. Kathmanblu (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 10-1
5. Forest Legend (R. Dominguez) 30-1
6. Arch Support (G. Contessa/E. Prado) 20-1
7. Winter Memories (J. Toner) 2-1*
8. Wyomia (D. Vella/R. Bejarano) 12-1
9. Fancy Point (W. Phipps/K. Desormeaux) 15-1
10. New Normal (M. Frostad/J. Castellano) 10-1
11. More Than Real (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 10-1
12. Flood Plain (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 20-1
13. Together (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 5-1
14. Allure D'Amour (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 15-1

AE-15. Nina Fever (W. Ward)[/i] 50-1

Probably the only real big losers of todays draw.

pweizer 11-02-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715049)
Probably the only real big losers of todays draw.

Also Rightly So and Chamberlain Bridge.

Paul

Dahoss 11-02-2010 01:56 PM

Tale Untold is 15-1 ML, while Together is 5-1? I don't really get that one.

Kasept 11-02-2010 01:59 PM

FILLY & MARE SPRINT (5:30p)

1. My Jen (E. Kenneally/J. Velazquez) 15-1
2. Sara Louise (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 15-1
3. Secret Gypsy (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 12-1
4. Informed Decision (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux) 7-2
5. Evening Jewel (J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza)
6. Moontune Missy (E. Harty/A. Garcia) 30-1
7. Gabby's Golden Gal (B. Baffert/M. Garcia) 15-1
8. Sweet August Moon (B. Koriner/M. Smith) 30-1
9. Switch (J. Sadler/J. Rosario) 20-1
10. Rinterval (E. Reed/R. Bejarano) 20-1
11. Jessica Is Back (M. Wolfson/J. Castellano) 12-1
12. Dubai Majesty (W. Calhoun/J. Theriot) 6-1
13. Rightly So (A. Dutrow/C. Velasquez) 3-1*
14. Champagne D'oro (E. Guillot/M. Mena) 6-1
AE-15 Tidal Pool (W. Lukas) 50-1
AE-16. First Passage (M. Wolfson) 50-1

PatCummings 11-02-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 712164)
Red Desire will be my key play on Friday. She will be very dangerous in this spot.

Paul

I'm with you Paul - my day will rise and fall with her, and I'm willing to let it be that way.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715056)
FILLY & MARE SPRINT (5:30p)

1. My Jen (E. Kenneally/J. Velazquez) 15-1
2. Sara Louise (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 15-1
3. Secret Gypsy (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 12-1
4. Informed Decision (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux) 7-2
5. Evening Jewel (J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza)
6. Moontune Missy (E. Harty/A. Garcia) 30-1
7. Gabby's Golden Gal (B. Baffert/M. Garcia) 15-1
8. Sweet August Moon (B. Koriner/M. Smith) 30-1
9. Switch (J. Sadler/J. Rosario) 20-1
10. Rinterval (E. Reed/R. Bejarano) 20-1
11. Jessica Is Back (M. Wolfson/J. Castellano) 12-1
12. Dubai Majesty (W. Calhoun/J. Theriot) 6-1
13. Rightly So (A. Dutrow/C. Velasquez) 3-1*
14. Champagne D'oro (E. Guillot/M. Mena) 6-1
AE-15 Tidal Pool (W. Lukas) 50-1
AE-16. First Passage (M. Wolfson) 50-1

Switch at 20/1 is a joke. She'll be a whole lot shorter.

NTamm1215 11-02-2010 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715061)
Switch at 20/1 is a joke. She'll be a whole lot shorter.

And run like she should be 100-1.

Antitrust32 11-02-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715061)
Switch at 20/1 is a joke. She'll be a whole lot shorter.

Will Sara Louise at 15-1 be an okay bet?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 715062)
And run like she should be 100-1.

Why? Her dirt race wasn't bad.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 715067)
Will Sara Louise at 15-1 be an okay bet?

Off of only a single uninspiring race this year? Not for me.

Antitrust32 11-02-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715069)
Off of only a single uninspiring race this year? Not for me.

she likes churchill and the field seems to royally suck.

Is Informed Decision a toss on dirt?

NTamm1215 11-02-2010 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715068)
Why? Her dirt race wasn't bad.

Granted it was probably a lot farther than she wants to go but I didn't think much of her dirt race. The pace was decent but she folded up and Gulfstream isn't exactly a track known for exposing distance-challenged horses.

Sadler is 1 for 11 with graded stakes horses going synth to dirt with Mona De Momma being the lone exception and there have been numerous small price losers. I guess 15-1 would be a decent enough price on her but I'm just not high on her chances to win.

VOL JACK 11-02-2010 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 711884)
21 entries for the F&M Sprint (and a SUPER betting race). 4 years in and this has become such a well received division. Fantastic!

I was all for it and the dirt mile.
The Juvy turfs have been ok too.

The Marathon is garbage and is probably in its final year or two.

VOL JACK 11-02-2010 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715061)
Switch at 20/1 is a joke. She'll be a whole lot shorter.

I was shocked at that ML.
I thought off the Zenyatta running line she would 6,8-1ml.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 715072)
she likes churchill and the field seems to royally suck.

Is Informed Decision a toss on dirt?

I would make my largest win bet in BC history if the race was 7fs on synthetic.

It's not - and Informed Decision can beat me.

Dahoss 11-02-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715069)
Off of only a single uninspiring race this year? Not for me.

I think she's going to get a lot out of that start. She really only ran for a furlong or so in the Gallant Bloom. The Godolphin horses really haven't been firing off the long layoffs here like they had in years past. But some have run a lot better second back. Plus she is getting a giant jock upgrade.

I think she has a very good shot in here.

cakes44 11-02-2010 02:29 PM

So what is the ML on Evening Jewel?

ateamstupid 11-02-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 715085)
I think she's going to get a lot out of that start. She really only ran for a furlong or so in the Gallant Bloom. The Godolphin horses really haven't been firing off the long layoffs here like they had in years past. But some have run a lot better second back. Plus she is getting a giant jock upgrade.

I think she has a very good shot in here.

I think the Gallant Bloom in general is better than the figs suggest. I like Moontune Missy to hit the board at a high number too.

randallscott35 11-02-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 715090)
I think the Gallant Bloom in general is better than the figs suggest. I like Moontune Missy to hit the board at a high number too.

Possible. I like cutbacks though. Evening Jewel is one of the ones.

Dahoss 11-02-2010 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 715090)
I think the Gallant Bloom in general is better than the figs suggest. I like Moontune Missy to hit the board at a high number too.

I like her a bit as well...but I liked her a lot more last time and that head cost me a grand. It's a fascinating race and I can't see using any horse less than double digit odds. IMO all of the favorites have major holes in them.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 715077)
Granted it was probably a lot farther than she wants to go but I didn't think much of her dirt race. The pace was decent but she folded up and Gulfstream isn't exactly a track known for exposing distance-challenged horses.

It was a nice race for a mile from a lightly raced horse.

They ran three 9f routes that day:

Devil May Care went her mile in 1:35.59

Rule went his mile in 1:36.09 on a 2 length lead in the Fla Derby before caving in late.

Unrivalled Belle went her mile in 1:36.25 on a 1.5 length lead

Basically - Switch ran her mile in the same time as Rule did in the Florida Derby .. and she was mixing it up with a pack of pretty good in-form 3yo filly milers like Amen Hall and Christine Daae.

analyizethis 11-02-2010 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 711847)
FILLY & MARE TURF (6:50p)

1. Midday (H. Cecil/T. Queally)
2. Eclair de Lune (R. McAnally/J. Alvarado)
3. Plumania (A. Fabre/O. Peslier) -- Turf
4. Red Desire (M. Matsunaga/C. Soumillion) -- Turf
5. Forever Together (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux)
6. Miss Keller (R. Attfield/J. Castellano)
7. Shared Account (G. Motion/E. Prado)
8. Hot Cha Cha (P. Sims/J. Graham)
9. Keertana (T. Proctor/J. Lezcano)
10. Hibaayeb (S. bin Suroor)
11. Shared Account (G. Motion/E. Prado)

HELP! Shared Account listed twice in F & M Turf, no Harmonious.

chucklestheclown 11-02-2010 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by analyizethis (Post 715120)
HELP! Shared Account listed twice in F & M Turf, no Harmonious.

She is a super-horse.

Kasept 11-02-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by analyizethis (Post 715120)
HELP! Shared Account listed twice in F & M Turf, no Harmonious.

It hasn't been revised yet (posts, final jock or odds).

Kasept 11-02-2010 04:01 PM

JUVENILE FILLIES (6:10p)

1. Indian Gracey (J. Hollendorfer/R. Bejarano) 15-1
2. Theysken's Theory (F. Dettori) 10-1
3. R Heat Lightning (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 4-1
4. Awesome Feather (S. Gold/J. Sanchez) 6-1
5. Harlan's Ruby (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 15-1
6. Joyful Victory (A. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 15-1
7. Izshelegal (T. Knight/M. Smith) 30-1
8. A Z Warrior (B. Baffert/M. Garcia) 7-2*
9. Delightful Mary (M. Casse/S. Bridgmohan) 8-1
10. Believe in A.P. (R. Dutrow/G. Gomez) 15-1
11. Soundwave (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 20-1
12. Tell A Kelly (J. Sadler/C. Borel) 9-2
13. Jordy Y (W. Catalano/J. Rosario) 30-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 04:07 PM

FILLY & MARE TURF (6:50p)

1. Plumania (A. Fabre/O. Peslier) 8-1
2. Eclair de Lune (R. McAnally/J. Alvarado) 15-1
3. Miss Keller (R. Attfield/J. Castellano) 8-1
4. Keertana (T. Proctor/J. Lezcano) 30-1
5. Shared Account (G. Motion/E. Prado) 30-1
6. Harmonious (J. Sherriffs/J. Rosario) 6-1
7. Midday (H. Cecil/T. Queally) 6-5*
8. Hot Cha Cha (P. Sims/J. Graham) 30-1
9. Hibaayeb (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 8-1
10. Red Desire (M. Matsunaga/C. Soumillion) 8-1
11. Forever Together (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux) 10-1

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715165)
FILLY & MARE TURF (6:50p)

1. Plumania (A. Fabre/O. Peslier) 8-1
2. Eclair de Lune (R. McAnally/J. Alvarado) 15-1
3. Miss Keller (R. Attfield/J. Castellano) 8-1
4. Keertana (T. Proctor/J. Lezcano) 30-1
5. Shared Account (G. Motion/E. Prado) 30-1
6. Harmonious (J. Sherriffs/J. Rosario) 6-1
7. Midday (H. Cecil/T. Queally) 6-5*
8. Hot Cha Cha (P. Sims/J. Graham) 30-1
9. Hibaayeb (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 8-1
10. Red Desire (M. Matsunaga/C. Soumillion) 8-1
11. Forever Together (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux) 10-1

How can you not like 10/1 on Forever Together while breaking from the 11 hole - winless for the last year and a half and off of two horrible performances.

NTamm1215 11-02-2010 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 715099)
It was a nice race for a mile from a lightly raced horse.

They ran three 9f routes that day:

Devil May Care went her mile in 1:35.59

Rule went his mile in 1:36.09 on a 2 length lead in the Fla Derby before caving in late.

Unrivalled Belle went her mile in 1:36.25 on a 1.5 length lead

Basically - Switch ran her mile in the same time as Rule did in the Florida Derby .. and she was mixing it up with a pack of pretty good in-form 3yo filly milers like Amen Hall and Christine Daae.

I see what you're saying I'm just not keen on her in this spot. It's a tremendously wide open race and the Z crowd will guarantee she and Rinterval are overbet I think.

Betsy 11-02-2010 04:38 PM

Can't complain too badly, though I hate the #1 post for Biondetti.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-02-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 715181)
I see what you're saying I'm just not keen on her in this spot. It's a tremendously wide open race and the Z crowd will guarantee she and Rinterval are overbet I think.

Most of the "Z crowd" seem to think the horse is like some kind of equine drama queen who is more concerened with dancing in the pre-race and pricking her ears for the photo finish camera than anything else.

Put her in with Ohio breds at Thistle or with Indy Cars at the Brickyard and the result will be the same... a well timed narrow Zenyatta win.

I doubt a whole lot of them are planning their Friday around betting Switch and Rinterval.

VOL JACK 11-02-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 715181)
I see what you're saying I'm just not keen on her in this spot. It's a tremendously wide open race and the Z crowd will guarantee she and Rinterval are overbet I think.

How do you explain Rinterval taking no money in her last start at Kee?

my miss storm cat 11-02-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715165)
FILLY & MARE TURF (6:50p)

1. Plumania (A. Fabre/O. Peslier) 8-1
2. Eclair de Lune (R. McAnally/J. Alvarado) 15-1
3. Miss Keller (R. Attfield/J. Castellano) 8-1
4. Keertana (T. Proctor/J. Lezcano) 30-1
5. Shared Account (G. Motion/E. Prado) 30-1
6. Harmonious (J. Sherriffs/J. Rosario) 6-1
7. Midday (H. Cecil/T. Queally) 6-5*
8. Hot Cha Cha (P. Sims/J. Graham) 30-1
9. Hibaayeb (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 8-1
10. Red Desire (M. Matsunaga/C. Soumillion) 8-1
11. Forever Together (J. Sheppard/J. Leparoux) 10-1

This is a really nice field but ummm 6/5 on Midday?

With Plumania and Red Desire in the same field?

Ummm okaaaay.

NTamm1215 11-02-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 715220)
How do you explain Rinterval taking no money in her last start at Kee?

Rinterval should and will be a longshot in the F/M Sprint. The question to me boiled down to whether Switch is a good bet at what will be her closing odds (I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 12-1).

Mike 11-02-2010 07:39 PM

I'm seeing Evening Jewel at 15-1 in Filly and Mare Sprint

SOREHOOF 11-02-2010 08:17 PM

I'd love to see 15-1 on Friday!


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