Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 712770)

Agree with everything you say. That aside, Manning and Marino are BOTH great. Manning IS a choker and gets flustered often when it counts the most. Marino never had much of a shot to get to where it counts the most to prove it. I think the tag of him being a choker is ridiculous. The one time he makes the superbowl, he faces one of the best teams ever playing in their own back yard.

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 712770)

Agree with everything you say. That aside, Manning and Marino are BOTH great. Manning IS a choker and gets flustered often when it counts the most. Marino never had much of a shot to get to where it counts the most to prove it. I think the tag of him being a choker is ridiculous. The one time he makes the superbowl, he faces one of the best teams ever playing in their own back yard.

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 712772)

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 712784)

you killin it 'te

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 712737)

yeah, but it was the Steelers LAST loss of the year...they won out, so that one was the dagger. It was THE one that kept them out.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 712968)

That put the nail in the dagger.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 712968)

That put the nail in the dagger.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 712729)

I believe they knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs last year. Steelers win that game they make the playoffs. If the Steelers beat a 1-11 team, a defending Super bowl champion makes the playoffs. Didn't happen. That is what they have done lately. My team has won 4 NFL Championships. Yours has won 6. Those are facts...pure and simple facts. I'm not really jealous of the Steelers. If I was, I really wouldn't have stated they are the best "modern" franchise.

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 713052)

HC....don't short Cleveland.

They have 6 NFL titles.


Cleveland has won 10 pro football titles overall.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 713057)

Well, I guess the city has 6 NFL and 10 pro total if you count the Cleveland Rams and Cleveland Bulldogs titles. I was only counting the Browns franchise I guess.

Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 712719)

This is an article that list 4th quarter comebacks. Not really a big deal as the stat was really created for John Elway.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401

I'm not a fan of hypotheticals, but what happens if you put Marino on any of those teams I mentioned? Does he choke it?

Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 712719)

This is an article that list 4th quarter comebacks. Not really a big deal as the stat was really created for John Elway.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401


I'm not a fan of hypotheticals, but what happens if you put Marino on any of those teams I mentioned? Does he choke it?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 712764)

Listen, as a Jet fan, nothing makes me happier than the fact that Marino never won anything and became synonymous with the word 'choker' in the NFL. But Manning was as lucky as lucky gets to win his one Super Bowl and he should be far more famous for his failures in the postseason than his one 'success'. He's probably the greatest regular season quarterback who ever lived, but this is what people who actually know and watch the game will associate him with way before the one time he managed to not play worse than Rex Grossman.

The guy is 9-9 in the postseason despite his team averaging 12.2 wins per season in 10 playoff years. But yeah, he's great and Marino's a choker.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 713098)

You think Manning has had any more to work with than Marino did?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 712764)

Right. Let's remember who his team beat and FL. But Manning was as lucky as lucky gets to win his one Super Bowl and he should be far more famous for his failures in the postseason than his one 'success'. He's probably the greatest regular season quarterback who ever lived, but this is what people who actually know and watch the game will associate him with way before the one time he managed to not play worse than Rex Grossman.

The guy is 9-9 in the postseason despite his team averaging 12.2 wins per season in 10 playoff years. But yeah, he's great and Marino's a choker.

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 712774)

Shut up,Dahla.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 713036)

It's simple answers to simple questions...if the Steelers could have beaten a 1-11 team in December last year would they have made the playoffs?? Just keep it simple and say "yes" Steeler fan!!

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 713102)

Joey, I think you will one day have to face a challenge called High Blood pressure. Just a wild guess. I don't think he's had great teams, but he's made it to the big dance multiple times, and got a ring with one of 'em. Is he Joe Montana in the clutch? No.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 713122)

If you didnt like how I phrased my answer, not my problem.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 713117)

You should take your own advice.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 713128)

Right, this is what you do when you're shown up about something. Don't address the issue and tell the other person they have an unrelated mental problem. And you don't see the irony in that. I think you suffer from agoraphobia. Just a wild guess.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 713150)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 713151)

Ain't a mental problem. Ya temper is immense. You could pull a house down the street over something stupid like this. I'm in L.A. Don't have a team. Wouldn't you think I'd be objective about this crap? What would I have against (or for) Marino, or Manning? One was good. The other was great. I addressed your statement already. I said Manning had not that great of teams, and isn't the most clutch quarterback in the post.

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 713158)

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 713157)

Temper? What are you talking about? I laid out very reasonably why you're wrong about Manning. You have no rebuttal, so your response is to insinuate that there's something wrong with me. You do the same thing when you argue with Andy. Because you're dead wrong about it, it's stupid. You really don't know much about football, but maybe that's just my 'temper' talking.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 713162)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 713166)

I gave you a rebuttal. You wrote a book about something that's just not very important. I don't feel like writing all night bout this shyt. If it's really that big a deal to you, I will go through each game (so fkn boring.) You have never been as bad as Andy. That individual will simply lie about people. When caught, he says he wasn't serious. I don't think you do this.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 713169)

Did it ever occur to you that I've written something similar to combat tards who think that one lucky Super Bowl makes Manning great and not a choker? It took me five minutes and no one ever has any rebuttal for it.

You're perfectly willing to argue minutiae about the Dodgers and politics until your eyes bleed, but when someone takes you to task about something you're ignorant and wrong about, it's "just not very important".

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 713175)

Wasn't important to me (before you ever wrote it.) You can't settle everything. Sometimes people just disagree. If you don't think Manning's great, I'm not pssd about it.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 713162)

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 713135)

I know. It's an internet board with lots of unstable people. Myself included.