It also means you shouldn't try to use Yiddish to make yourself look more worldly.

Listen you dolt--I am Jewish dimwit remember ???

And your HOF fort alleged brains means squat .

I hope this conversation doesn't get deleted. Would be nice to read it.

Who said anything about tits ---stop editing me .

Frustrated--don't bet on it ...

AND, we already discussed my alleged non-betting , though I know you enjoy yentzing around with this non topic ...

You just don't see it. Only non Zenyatta fans can see how frustrated you are.

My bad, I should have realized that since you are on DT, there was a 75% chance of you being Jewish. Still, your Yiddish is poor.

"I am Jewish dimwit remember ???"

Is that like Domo arigato Mr. Roboto?

Fort???

Maybe you don't have English figured out all the way just yet.

My typing is poor--you haven't figured that out yet ...

My Yiddish is fine ...

I don't know, he looked done entering the far turn IMO only to seemingly jump back in it when Twirling Candy hit a brick wall, then was easily picked off by Richard's Kid, who is probably everybody's #10 on their top ten list for the handicap division (unless they also have Awesome Gem on that list).

In a similar vein, I also thought Jaycito's rally in the Norfolk was somewhat illusory. He seemed spent also chasing the early leaders until at the 1/16th pole, when JP Gusto realized he won a 5f race way back in May.

Of course, I have extra insurance as both will be making their first start on dirt if they show up in the BC next out.

A horseplayer with a side of Dr. Ruth--assuredly you can know this through a keyboard in cyberspace--admirable, but completely wrong ...

I was not trying to pick on you for Fort. I had no idea what you were saying. Now I get it.

I always figured you for a nudniky goyim.

Horses to run in the BC at 6 (or higher) since 2000:
Awesome Gem 2009 52-1 7th
Student Council 2008 44-1 11th
Perfect Drift 2006 34-1 8th
Perfect Drift 2005 15-1 3rd
Pleasantly Perfect 2004 5/2 3rd
Azeri 2004 15-1 5th
Bowmans Band 2004 62-1 11th
A Fleets Dancer 2001 146-1 11th

See something in common here? All but Pleasantly Perfect in '04 were 15-1 or higher, and really most were much higher. Any horse that was good enough to compete in the BC that was intact was gone to stud before the age of 6 in 99.9% of cases (PP in '04 a notable exception.) Age isn't the factor that will get Zenyatta beat if she loses... it's the lack of shipping and/or quality competition on her lesser surface.

Of course she could have. She can also talk as well but chooses not to.

On a serious note, too bad the connections didn't take advantage of trying different surfaces in this era. Because great horses like Secretariat or Dr Fager would never have tried to run of a different surface like turf...

A more taxing campaign might've emptied the tank too much.

I think John has her right where he wants her.


By the way, think you meant 'superior' surface…

Good, I am glad you get it ...

But you handicapped me wrong ...

I got the nudnik part right.

While I am in no way comparing her to Secretariat or Fager, it is noteworthy that Sec ran on the other " different surface " of that time exactly as many times as Z did, and Fager half that ...

Unless you consider a third surface that was in brief use in that era somewhere on the eastern leaky roof circuit--pea gravel .

Are you seriously offering up her age as an excuse as to why she will lose?

If you wish to think so ...

Funny that she can be 11 for 11 at 1 1/16th, her connection keep choosing to run her that distance and yet somehow it is a weak distance for her...

Gary Stevens is easily amazed

Yes they secretly add 15 pounds to the saddle of 6 year olds to try to encourage owners to retire horses early. It is the Breeders Cup after all.

"[insert horse name here] was the best horse I ever rode"

Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

I know you probably don't but do you realize that Dr fager and Secretariat dominated the best turf horses in training in those races? And while you personally may not have used these two horses in particular by name, if you want to call Zenyatta an all time great be prepared to be compared to those which actually belong in that class.

Of course. The path of least resistance has been taken by many all time great horses in the past. I will list them below:

I think Kennedy Road and Advocator will have some comparable dirt horses in the Classic for Z to run at ....

And though Fager beat him, he only hung about a head on Advocator, rather than dominating him . Nerud said he disliked the turf, so that may or may not be factored in .

Prepared, sir ...

Not that prepared....

Tentam.

Him too ...

Knew you'd be in for a cameo--I'd do the same myself ...

Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

She will face the best we have at present--arguably--in the Classic --if she beats them all, you will know who ...

Nothing like the past, and out of the safety zone only twice--I agree .

As you know, yesterday's horses carried more, did more and tried more ...

Wish it weren't so ...

Secretariat also beat Big Spruce, who won the San Luis Rey and finished second to Dahlia in the D.C. International that year.

But he couldn't win races that started with the letter "W"

Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

You've become so badly brainwashed that you actually took that post seriously.

God is that sad.

Sarcasm alert

You lose... you lose, it happens.

I know I dont walk and breath around horses like you do but you can take this as a fact and it aint no guess, she is not quite as good as last year. I suspect its the age, maybe its the feed, who the **** knows.

I still say she jogs if all she has to beat is what ran last weekend, I have seen little that has impressed me this season.

While she may not be as good as she was last year (who can tell?), being 6 as opposed to 5 or 7 shouldnt really matter. And i don't know what your version of jogged is but she is going to have to be a whole lot better than she was last weekend to win the Classic.

I really hope so.

I hope she either takes a huge step forward, runs a 120 BSF out of nowhere and beats the field by 8-10 lengths.....OR......runs the way she did on Saturday, (and most days) and finishes a well-beaten 5th.

The one thing I really hope does NOT happen is that the race goes like this:

1) A speed battle develops early wiping out the frontrunners.....
2) Blame and QR really end up just not wanting 10f.....
3) Lookin at Lucky is not 100% or finds some of the traffic that he has in the past.....


and so.....Zenyatta chugs up to win by a nose, running what should be a 95 BSF....and then gets hailed as the greatest athlete in the history of the universe.

I like this thought process.

Nothing impressive at all. Paceless race, leads to this... Nothing more.

......i hope zen scratches so this b.s continues another year;)