5 more minutes,Danny....then I am through waiting on your phony boo-bees.

wm. saletan, slate...


http://www.slate.com/id/2266535/

Two days ago, hundreds of Afghans gathered in Kabul to denounce the United States for burning the Quran. They torched American flags, chanted "Death to America," and carried signs calling for the death of President Obama. Some of them hurled rocks at U.S. troops. A student in the crowd said of the planned Quran burning: "We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decision of the president and the entire United States."

This is how it feels to be judged by the sins of others who destroy in the name of your faith. You're no more responsible for 30 Christian extremists in Florida than Muslims are for the 19 hijackers of 9/11. Yet most of us, when polled, say that no Muslim house of worship should be built near the site of the 9/11 attacks. In saying this, we implicitly hold all Muslims accountable for the crime of those 19 people.

Now you know how it feels to be judged that way. It's inaccurate, and it's wrong.

i do not have phony boo-bees.

And I have NO proof.



Off it goes.

just from talking about boo-bees?!?! wow....

The PM!


Jesus.

If some other group of people praised a murdering butcher, you wouldn't give them this free pass. You're the one here that is overlooking immoral stuff. Not me. I didn't say kill them. I said don't trust them. Mainly, don't be scared of their retribution. See, this whole thing this week? We don't need to be running around worrying about how they feel about a legal act being done, but look how many did worry about how they felt. This group uses fear and intimidation to get what they want. They didn't want him to do a legal act. They threatened to do such n' such. Our gov't said they feared such n' such would be done by these people "if" this was done. I object to us living our lives thinking about whether something will offend them. Fk them. I am not gunna kill anyone, but we need to stop giving a shyt what they want, or don't want. They aren't the majority in this country, or on this earth. They can eat my hole.

They aren't morally innocent. They follow a butcher's teachings. Anyone who does that will have to deal with the dislike that comes with it. They aren't being accused of murder. They are the followers of a terrorist. They are the fans of a butcher, and most moral people will never respect someone like this.

you mean you didn't get the pm with the pics? hmm, wonder what happened...

It's like you just channel Pamela Geller directly.

Honey, I am better. See here at 5:50:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxRpD...eature=related

She should of said that he was a butcher, and showing him as a pig is giving him far too much credit. When that witch asked her about respect, she should of said:

" Look, I was born to Jewish parents. This guy cut the heads off 600-900 Jews that surrendered to him. I have no respect for him, and if someone drew a picture of him as a pig, then they are too kind."

Notice that she did own her on the fact the witch was scared of Muslims. What's the witch scared of? If Muslims are so non-violent , then, why the fear? She says she wasn't scared to show the photo? It's a free speech right to show it. Reporters aren't supposed to withold stuff that they are asking someone about. She's let Muslims get in the way of her job as a reporter. The group deals in fear, and intimidation (always has.) The reason the reporter had a double standard (in the treatment of the 2 prophets) is because the people in one of the religions are indeed violent, threatening, and intolerant.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/flo...ex.html?hpt=T2



"The back-and-forth over the mosque location and the meeting continued into the evening Thursday. Jones insisted he had been told of a deal on moving the center, but Musri said instead he was brokering a meeting with Rauf.
"We are canceling the event because they have agreed to move the ground zero mosque," Jones said, claiming his announcement was based on several conversations with Musri.
But the latter said he had not spoken with Rauf and was not authorized to say the Islamic center would be moved. Jones may have "stretched" their conversations to say there was a deal, Musri told CNN."





Welcome to Islam, Terry!!.....Hello!! They lie to non-believers. That's quite a difference in stories about what took place. This couldn't be an American Muslim leader that outright lied to ya. Oh, no. Zig n' Riot say they are people of the utmost quality....Now, if you go through with the burning, they will accuse you of being a liar. ...Consider it lesson 1 in Muslim Trix, Lies, n' Deception. By an American Muslim? Oh, Zig, say it ain't so. They couldn't do such things. They are better than the ones in other countries.

--- > http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...imam.musri.cnn <---

This is RICH!!!!!!!!! I love the last few seconds of it.

why are people offended by burning herb?

Here's my thing. I dont care about how Muslims feel about seeing the Koran burning. I could care less about that terrible religion. I cared about the REACTION that the savages would have. aka killing American soilders or recruiting more extremists.

If they werent absolute savages to begin with, this wouldnt be a big deal. Could care less about the Muslim savages (evident by Danzigs post about how they reacted to just the story of the Koran burning), do care about our Americans that are over there.

Thats why I have such a problem with the burning. We already know how those animals react. Why provoke when you know the outcome? It makes the pastor almost just as bad as they are.


- and for you PC guys - not all Muslims are savages of course, a lot are though (100,000,000)

You make some good observations, but if we follow this to the extreme, then it is the religion, or faction, with the worst reactions that gets the most deference. And the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or others of a more peaceful temperament get ignored, persecuted or worse.

Though not your intention or how you got there, the end result is indistinguishable from cowardice. It will be viewed that way by the world, and most notably by the very enemies whom we will appear the most terrified of.

It's the macroscopic equivalent of "ignore the bully and he'll get tired of beating you". It doesn't work. Kicking the crap out of the bully does work.

.......right on, let jed clampitt have a giant bonfire.

good question

small world

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09...-pastor-jones/

This whole thing is just a money/publicity grab by a bunch of yokels trying to increase their flock and pad their pockets.. Once again under the guise of religion.. Guys are no different than Bernie Madoff, fu<cking con artists.

:D

Rush is right on with this issue. Its the media that turned this into a huge circus for someone just out looking for attention.

Ignore the nut to begin with, and this is a non issue.

a-zatly

Jason Linkins
Quran Burning Story: This Is How The Media Embarrass Themselves

Yesterday afternoon, the leader of a microscopic cult of idiots who announced plans to stage an "international" day of Quran burning in Gainesville, Florida held a press conference, for a rapt media which decided that his moronic plans were the single most important thing going on in America.

At that press conference, in front of "9/11 Truther" signs, this cult leader lied to everyone who was watching, telling them that he was going to call off his 9/11 book burning festival because he had successfully reached a deal with the people behind the Park51 community center in Lower Manhattan, in which they would move their facility away from the site of the World Trade Center.

Not a word of this was true, but it was amazing, all the same -- at one fell swoop, we had finally knit up the strands of a season of irrationality into one big, shiny, synergized knot. This was supposed to be the end of Recovery Summer? More like Relapse Summer.

The story of how one lone idiot, pimping an 18th-century brand of community terrorism, held the media hostage and forced some of this nation's most powerful people to their knees to fitfully beg an end to his wackdoodlery is an extraordinary one. It's a modern media retelling of Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying", in which a gang of Islamaphobes, cast in the role of Addie Bundren, bamboozle the media into carrying their coffin full of malevolence on a journey of pure debasement. Let's begin at the beginning.

Earlier this year, an organization called the Cordoba Initiative were granted permission by the appropriate authorities in New York City to turn an old Burlington Coat Factory at 51 Park Place in lower Manhattan into a community center. The organization was headed by an Imam named Feisal Abdul Rauf, who has made it his life's work to stand against radical cults like al Qaeda and teach young Muslims that America is a place where one can freely worship at the appointed times and then join other faith communities in America in the task of building a great nation. The proposed community center was to include a basketball court and space for different religious communities in New York City to have interfaith relations. It was also going to have a place for Muslims to pray, if they liked.

The news didn't sit well with many people in New York, most notably people who didn't live in Manhattan. This is because they were told by a gaggle of dumb Islamophobes that what was planned was a "Ground Zero mosque." Of course, the planned community center was not, strictly speaking, a "mosque." And it was most definitely not "at Ground Zero." "Ground Zero" is the site of an interminable municipal construction project. There are no plans to build a mosque there.

"Ground Zero" is also not the name of a recognized New York City neighborhood, like DUMBO or Murray Hill. But, here's the thing: even if it was, the battle to stop the "Ground Zero mosque" was already lost, because there already is a mosque in that neighborhood.

This logic failed to sink in, because very few people outside of me and the good people over at Wonkette made any attempt to bring these facts to light. But it might not have mattered, because the fertile field of opposition to the Park51 community center was the raw wound of the September 11th attacks. Obviously, many people are still feeling the loss of that day. And that loss breeds many emotions, among them sadness and anger. And people definitely do have the right to express their sadness and their anger. But what people don't have the right to expect is that the government will intervene to remedy claims that have no basis in law.

As soon as the media saw themselves a shiny shiny shining thing shining shinily in New York City, they pounced! How perfect! Something for us to talk about during the slow-news summer! I mean, we could talk about the nation's unemployment crisis, but that would mean we'd have to talk to poor, jobless people, and there's no currency in having access to a bunch of poors.

Right away, they accepted the premise that this was a "Ground Zero mosque," when it wasn't. And so, by the power vested in the media, things that weren't in fact true were accorded the privilege of being "one side of a great debate" and "an interesting point of view."

Charlie Brooker, calling out the media for this bullshit, states what should have happened at this very moment:

New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald's and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven't produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK.

That's literally all I'd ask them in an interview. I'd stand there pointing at a map of the city. Would it be offensive here? What about here? Or how about way over there? And when they finally picked a suitable spot, I'd ask them to draw it on the map, sketching out roughly how big it should be, and how many windows it's allowed to have. Then I'd hand them a colour swatch and ask them to decide on a colour for the lobby carpet. And the conversation would continue in this vein until everyone in the room was in tears. Myself included.

That hasn't happened. Instead, 70% of Americans are opposed to the "Ground Zero mosque", doubtless in many cases because they've been led to believe it literally is a mosque at Ground Zero. And if not...well, it must be something significant. Otherwise why would all these pundits be so angry about it? And why would anyone in the media listen to them with a straight face?

And because the media couldn't do their job, a group of hack politicians, like Rick Lazio and Newt Gingrich, desperate to get a little famewhore attention for their quixotic political career goals, saw an opportunity to horn in on the "discussion." They started telling all the sad and angry people that they actually did have the right to expect someone to provide a remedy to their claims. Their case was primarily based on the idea that nobody has the rights of religious freedom, no one has property rights and that the government has the right -- nay, the duty! -- to intrude.

Right away, they should have been entirely ridiculed, because the people pimping this bilge were primarily right-wing types who would ordinarily say that church and state should not be separated, that property rights are sacrosanct, and that government should be small and unobtrusive.

Someone really should have said to Newt Gingrich, "Is this seriously the stand you want to take? Because if it is, we shall never allow you to claim to be a supporter of small government or a 'Constitutional constructionist' ever again. And if you try to assert that claim, we will drop on you like a ton of bricks. We will cause you real, public pain."

But of course, that's not what happened. The media has too much invested in flattering people like Newt Gingrich, and whoever writes Sarah Palin's tweets. And so, these inherent contradictions simply became "one side of a great debate" and "an interesting point of view."

And from there, some idiot news producer said, "Hey, I bet we can shoehorn this into our election narrative somehow!" And so the Park51 community center became an election issue. Imagine that, in a world with a nine year-long, going nowhere war and a massive unemployment crisis! Imagine how many times you would have to hit yourself in the head with a ball peen hammer before you would ask a politician from California how they stood on a local zoning issue in Manhattan.

But ask they did, all the way to the White House. And that's when Democrats like Harry Reid stepped forward to publicly cover themselves in cowardice. This turned the frenzy up several notches for the media, because suddenly, they had obtained a very precious thing -- the right to say "both sides do this." The matter had become a folie a deux -- a madness made for two! -- but the media focused all their attention on the "two" and none on the "madness."

And in that climate, a pastor named Terry Jones saw an opportunity to make himself famous. Jones heads up a heretofore unknown and uncared-about gang of Florida morons known as the Dove Outreach Church -- minor bit players in the field of antagonizing American Muslims. This idiot announced that he was going to burn some Qurans on September 11th, and was anyone interested in giving this nonsense a whole lot of media attention?

And boy howdy, lots of people took him up on the offer! And you know why they did that? Because of the shame. Because deep down, your media all-stars knew that they had aided and abetted something that closely resembled an intellectual atrocity, and now it was time to atone by finding the lowest-hanging fruit available and make themselves feel better by beating on them repeatedly for being assholes -- something they should have already been doing for months!

And this gave an opportunity for some of those who had opposed the Park51 community center -- who deserved the treatment being meted out to Terry Jones -- to do the same. They joined their friends in the media in this demonstration of game-show absolution, saying, "This level of bigotry is unacceptable! It's so declasse in comparison to our own bigotry, which is a refined, 'Sunday Afternoon On The Island Of La Grande Jatte' form of despicableness."

A few people, like John Boehner and whoever writes Sarah Palin's tweets went so far as to say, "See, this is exactly the same thing we were decrying with the Ground Zero mosque." Except it wasn't, because the Ground Zero mosque was a thing they had made up!

None of this bothered Terry Jones at all! Why should it? In the long history of fringe religious figures saying and doing stupid things, it is exceedingly rare for the media to provide much attention to them. Pat Robertson has been telling America that gay people cause hurricanes for years, and it never amounts to much in the way of coverage beyond a periodic reminder that Pat Robertson is a complete fool. Terry Jones, however, had been given something very precious: he was now "one side of a great debate" who possessed "an interesting point of view."

And the media worked very hard to push the case that Jones was part of a debate. Now, Quran burning was an election-year issue, for which every candidate had to answer. And they even went so far as to ask Jones repeatedly, "What if President Obama told you not to do this? What if former President George W. Bush told you not to do this?" They were literally brokering negotiations between an idiot cult leader and some of the most powerful and important people in the world!

By now, things were terribly out of control. President Obama had to publicly state that Quran burning is a stupid thing to do. Imagine how out of touch you have to be that you need to go all the way to the White House to find that answer! Other important people were compelled to interject at this point. General David Petraeus had to come forward and state the plainly obvious: that all the public attention being given to this Quran burning would undermine the ability of U.S. forces to conduct their counterinsurgency operations, which depend heavily on winning the "hearts of minds" of Afghans. I think a lot of people read this as Petraeus speaking out against the attention-seeker, Terry Jones. But I think he was speaking more directly to the attention-givers. And everything that Justin Elliot reports here, I believe, lends credence to my contention.

Eventually, Robert Gates -- the Secretary of Defense, who is running two wars! -- had to call Jones up and try to convince him not to do this. "Which is crazy," says Alex Pareene, accurately, because when, exactly, did the Pentagon start negotiating with two-bit terrorists?

All of this finally culminated with yesterday's press conference, where Terry Jones lied and said that the Park51 community center was going to move, thanks to him. You see where this is headed now, don't you? Now the people behind Park51 are on the hook for stopping this Quran burning, and all of the negative external impact it may have. Now, all of the refined hate-merchants from early in the story can say that if the "Ground Zero mosque" isn't moved, immediately, American troops could die!

To go back to Charlie Brooker, let's remember that after sizing up the incompetence that pervaded the Park51 coverage, he warned that the "media" should just "give up" before they "[made] things worse." Pretty prophetic, isn't it? They got played, and played badly, by a dude with 14th-century religious beliefs, 19th-century facial hair and ultra-modern media savvy. Terry Jones has essentially blackmailed some of the most important people in America, with the assistance of the media.

Let's remember that all of this paralysis was caused by 50 people who wanted to burn a book that's available for free, on the Internet!

There were many, many moments where someone could have simply said, "No, we should really not be doing this. These Islamophobes are objectively wrong, objectively stupid, objectively contradictory, objectively harmful, and by God, as someone with a functioning brain and a devotion to the pursuit of reason above all else, I am going to stand here and say no to all of this."

But as it turns out, it wasn't until yesterday afternoon that someone finally had the guts to say maybe we cannot really believe a word this man is saying.

Well, they should have thought of that before they decided to point a bunch of teevee cameras at him, I guess.

This is pretty apparent unless you're a modern day Neville Chamberlain. Going out of your way not to provoke a group that is already BEYOND 'provoked' is borderline comical.

Just another case of not learning from history.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...imam.musri.cnn

Oh, I think ya little apologists should be real careful here. Start at 1:23. A man who's telling the truth doesn't act this way. Doesn't search like this. Doesn't say "Stretched it Possibly." It's not possibly, buddy. He either did, or he didn't. Fkn liar. You won't see any searching or doubt in the preachers description of whether the Imam lied to him. ..None. No confusion. Says he lied to him 3 times, and has witnesses. He doesn't need a reporter's help in explaining what took place. Riot has never been more wrong than right now. No matter what people feel about this issue, they can read this guy's lying. We all know what it looks like. Looks like what that Imam is having to do. Why do you think they have you sit live in front of opposing lawyers n' give depositions? They want to read your reactions. It's not easy maintaining lies. It takes work n' concentration. Telling the truth is not nearly as stressful (especially if you aren't bothered by what the truth is.) People telling the truth act quite a bit different than a part-time liar. When it's over, usually one lawyer knows he's beat, and they make a deal. If you were this Imam's lawyer, you would settle after seeing this video.

Sorry, Scuds. Your freak show leader is just another thieving, lying loser of a snake-oil salesman.

There are no "witnesses" to "a lie" that have stepped forward. Your guy collapsed completely today, put his tail between his legs and walked away.

News conference today
 

(btw, spoken extemporaneously in answer to a question, without teleprompter or notes)

We are not at war against Islam.

We are at war against terrorist organizations that have distorted Islam or falsely used the banner of Islam to engage in their destructive acts. And we've got to be clear about that.

We've got to be clear about that because, if we're going to deal with the problems that Ed Henry was talking about, if we're going to successfully reduce the terror threat, then we need all the allies we can get. The folks who are most interested in a war between the United States or the West and Islam are al Qaeda. That's what they've been banking on.

And fortunately, the overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world are peace-loving, are interested in the same things that you and I are interested in: how do I make sure I can get a good job, how can I make sure that my kids get a decent education, how can I make sure I'm safe, how can I improve my lot in life. And so they have rejected this violent ideology for the most part, overwhelmingly.

And so from a national security interest, we want to be clear about who the enemy is here. It's a handful, a tiny minority of people who are engaging in horrific acts -- and have killed Muslims more than anybody else.

The other reason it's important for us to remember that is because we've got millions of Muslim-Americans, our fellow citizens, in this country. They're going to school with our kids. They're our neighbors. They're our friends. They're our coworkers. And, you know, when we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive, what are we saying to them?

I've got Muslims who are fighting in Afghanistan, in the uniform of the United States armed services. They're out there putting their lives on the line for us. And we've got to make sure that we are crystal clear for our sakes and their sakes: They are Americans. And we honor their service.

And part of honoring their service is making sure that they understand that we don't differentiate between "them" and "us." It's just "us."

And that is a principle that I think is going to be very important for us to sustain. And I think tomorrow is an excellent time for us to reflect on that.

LOL...You're a desperate witch. Everyone knows THAT IMAM'S LYING. As usual, you ignore the obvious. I noticed they had a showing of Muslims out there at the church today.

"When our Muslim brothers are under attack, what do we do? Fight back!" came the chant.

Notice how Muslims have burnt stuff all week, and no Korans have even been burnt yet. These people, and their helpers, are pathetic. They're like spoiled children who think their feelings are 10x as important as anyone else's. They aren't. People just lay down for them (a lot.)

And you're a sad, angry bigot.

So it goes.

Who seems to have no problem with Hinduism, or Buddhism. Ain't bigotry to protect yourself from the followers of a known butcher (that terrorized people to get them to join his group, and killed them if they tried to leave.) Your way leads to what? Us being paranoid about what they'll do in retribution for something? .....Loser...All week they've threatened someone who had planned a legal act. They started their violence before he even burned anything. This religion was born by way of terrorism, and intimidation. Our president is running around scared of these thugs. It's pathetic. I'll give the Conservatives that much.

should we allow muslims to serve in the military? an intelligence agency? the state department?

assuming they aren't trustworthy enough to have any kind of security clearance, would being a muslim disqualify someone from providing translating services to any of those agencies?

how do you see your war on islam playing out in the long run? better or worse without the cooperation of moderate muslims?

you, terry jones, and newt gingrich play into the narrative extremists want to tell about the west.

us vs. extremists is a much easier fight than us vs. islam.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11260471

Someone should tell the leaders of these 2 Muslim Countries to mind their own fkn business. We don't have to submit to you. FK off! You make non-Muslims refrain from eating during the day (during Ramadan.) We aren't making Muslims follow another religion's requirements. Someone wanted to burn some books. It's none of your damn business. It's our business. You hypocrites have a lot of nerve, but that's not surprising.

Notice how you don't need to ask this about Christians, Hindus, Buddhists?

What are Buddhists going to do??



Throw themselves in a building and sent themselves on fire????

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com...s-faith-video/


Read what the American Muslim said: “I cannot involve myself in an army that wages war against Muslims.”


He lies repeatedly in that conversation. He constantly keeps saying it's a peaceful religion blah blah blah. Fact is the liar wouldn't have any problem killing non-Muslims. He freaked out about having to kill fellow Muslims. This is exactly opposite of what Riot, Zig etc. have told us. They've told us they're good Americans. Come to find out they value the lives of Muslims more than other people....DUH, FOLKS....DUH. They say a lot of warm stuff, but (when tested on it) their allegiance to fellow Muslims is more important than their oath to the country. God, I didn't have to answer your question. I let this American Muslim do it with his actions. They say a lot. Fact is that they think they can be good Americans, but their allegiance is to other Muslims (and not just American Muslims.) The question you asked has been answered by these people. You've just ignored it. They aren't terrorists, but they are refusing to be part of killing terrorists that are Muslim. You gunna claim the small percentage crap? That button is so used that the paint has come off.

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/muslims...ilitary/31393/

"In the era of the war on terror, the example of a devout Muslim serving in the American Military is a heartening sign that highlights the difference between America and its self-appointed enemies in this conflict. This is not a clash of civilizations, but a fight between a modern pluralistic democracy and intolerant murders who have hijacked one of the world's great faiths."

meh. that's so 2006.

Oh, come on. He converted at 19, because he was chasing pussy? He was raised Episcopalian? He's a Christo-Muslim. He didn't grow up with the "wrong to kill Muslims" tradition.

whats your point...are you a christian? yeah, we have to defend ourselves, but what in the hell does that have to do with burning books and pissing people off? people that had nothing to do with 9/11. what about the muslim guy fighting for us overseas? hes willing to take a bullet or worse yet....get his own head loped off.....how does he feel seeing these morons do things like this? PEOPLE FROM THIS WHACKO CHURCH MIGHT BE FIGHTING NEXT TO HIM! this is why i hate church. people like this could go all their life and never get it. if you believe in christ...he let people nail him to a cross! YOU DON'T THINK GOD COULD OF WIPED US OUT WITH A BLINK OF THE EYE? AND A YOU ARE AFRAID OF MIKE TYSON. people ignore the parts that are hard to live by...thats why church sucks. if you truly believe in God there are worse things than dying....like what happens after...thats why you should live right first whether it gets you killed or not....just like christ did. do you really think a man that came from God had to let himself be nailed to a cross by us? i know most of what i said goes right over most of your heads.....lol

Does anyone harken back to that old thought?

You know, the one saying more people have been killed over religious views than in border disputes?




It seems to be playing out here---no?

just like christ did. i know most of what i said goes right over most of your heads.....lol


Settle down, you nut case...lol!

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