I've had this discussion before, contrary to belief I have moved on. But if others want to beat this topic to a pulp, this is fine by me.

Translation: You're right. We both know I have no response, so I'll fake like I'm above the conversation. Hopefully some people buy it.

Better luck phishing for a fight with someone else.

Oh, and an early deduction from the judges for CSC for using the word "ph"ishing in a sentence. Recovering from that error will prove difficult.

If you are going to correct people here, atleast get the spelling right.

"phishing" also referred to as brand spoofing or carding, is a variation on "fishing," the idea being that bait is thrown out with the hopes that while most will ignore the bait, some will be tempted into biting.

Unlike your metabolism ... I won't ignore you.

I don't think it's any harder making figures for synthetic than it is for dirt. In fact, it's probably easier at most synthetic tracks.

The supposed "problems" come when the horses change surfaces.

Synthetic tracks make top horses look a little worse than they are - and they make bad horses look a little better than they are. As your facebook homeboy Baffert likes to say.

If you win by 3 lengths on turf or synthetic - it's a full fledged ass kicking. If you beat a field by the same margin on dirt ... it's a more competitive race.

That is why a bunch of horses who would consistantly run 50's on synthetic would not even come close to being able to run that fast when put on dirt. However, synthetic horses at the top end who handle dirt should be able to run faster numbers on dirt because dirt races are almost always truly run.

you're right, which is why i don't understand rock hard tens comments on the surface.

I cant stand synthetics.

how old are you again?

This is completely unfounded and made up. I'm 23 and I'm not fine with them. In fact, I don't know anybody IRL, of any age, that likes them. There may be arguments for synthetics, but "if you hate them you're probably a geezer" sure as hell isn't one of them.

sometimes you are okay.. and sometimes you are so Riot-esque. like now.

Obviously there are strays within data, but if you take some surveys and attached it to age, my belief is you would see that the younger generation has no problem with synthetics, and probably prefers it.

I'm 27 and I don't like synthetics :(

It F's up history and makes people think synthetic winners belong on the list of best dirt horses ever.

Take all the data you want, but I believe that majority of people any age don't care either way. They are pure gamblers that couldn't care less if the horses were running on dirt, poly or broken glass.

The more I think about half the younger generation that actually follows horse racing is probably here so maybe I am wrong.

Call me crazy, most if not all my action is on synthetics. Barely play dirt.

No offence but I don't know who Riot is, I'll try to do better but I have moved on from that dragged out topic. We can revisit it after the BC however.

You're ****ing crazy.

I really can't wait to see the reaction of our California contingent when the Breeders Cup is in Louisville and Zenyatta's running her 20th race somewhere in Southern California.

Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

Goldikova and Six Perfections?

they are turf milers......those are not the american classic races...forgot the Donn in there.

I'm going with Azeri (Met Mile, Breeder's Cup Classic) and Island Fashion (Big Cap) and of course Devil May Care

how did they do?

maybe that is because Arlington is your home track?

Barely play dirt?!?!?! Honey you play everything you can get action on!!

:{>:

Ahem....Not well.

lucky you! (it's best to keep it that way also)

just keep working on it.. you'll get there.

Didn't Life is Sweet try one of those races? St. Trinians?

Rags to Riches :)

Can you give me the other 17-for-17 bestest mares of all-time? We're led to believe that her success is unprecedented. If that's so, her challenges should be as well.

that was a restricted race, but yup thats one

Dahoss does not put her in that group, at least I think thats what he has said.

No filly can consistently run with older colts and win.......you can take that to the bank. Once, twice maybe, but not 3-4 times a year, IMO. It will break them.

I think you just changed your argument. Regardless, it happens in Europe all the time. Heck, St. Trinians just tried the boys this spring. Life is Sweet did it last year. Were those restricted races, or are you just ignoring the posts that have been made since you posited this question that completely refute your argument?

Seriously?

Azeri did it. But who cares how many have tried?

I don't think even you put her in that group. She's ducked too many races.

Yeah? What if the older colts suck? Does that matter? Or do their genitals supersede their ability?

Yep, and Azeri did great in those races.

No one disputes Azeri is not an all time great.

Again, what does how Azeri finished in the races have anything to do with Zenyatta ducking them? Oh I get it. You are afraid she'll lose.

Island Fashion was 2nd in the Santa Antia Handicap the first time she ran in it.

Her poor races in the Pacific Classic and Big Cap came when she was off form later on in her career.

That is why the Classic will be more interesting than usual, it's on your preferred surface, there is no excuse for other horses to duck it this time around. We will find out if she does win or lose then. I understand why everyone wants to see her tested, the difference with me is I don't care whether it's in Aug or Nov. As long as she does, better then, then never, or to have her run in the Woodward for instance and then have an excuse to duck out the rest of the year.

She ran an 8 race campaign last year at 7 different tracks against all kinds of company. I wouldn't exactly call not going to a race on a thrid surface ducking out on the rest of the year.