Nice goatee.

Ok your running out of **** to say, dont cross the line.

So now I ask you a serious question, and you respond like this...

Speaking of, what do you call the **** under your chin on your facebook picture?
Is that in, in Long Island?

Speaking of being off topic . . . . . The title of this thread is Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra's next start . . . . not selectively choosing which of Rachel Alexandra's 2009 races to compare to zenyatta's fake dirt win over turf horses.

To fully appreciate Rachel Alexandra's historic 2009 campaign, you must look at her entire body of work that year. For some reason, the zetards don't like to do that.

I did not ramble at all .

The only two races that were unrestricted were the Woodward and the Classic . Ergo they are the only two comparable WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK...

Whether Rachel's campaign was superior or not is where the rambling comes in--from you .

I NEVER mentioned whose campaign was the better and it was not germaine to the discussion, which you quickly ducked, feinted and brought in defense to...

Some folks need to move on from 2009, and simply can not in the face of a real let down .

While it is disappointing that both horses could be more aggressively raced, one doesn't ship, and the other ships to escape ...

Duh Truth---I looked at Rachel's historic 2009 campaign LAST YEAR .

Very spiffy . And deserving of its reward .

For some reason Rachelistas can't get over 2009 a year later . And yes, you did say the topic was Rachel's next race, not last year's races ... Off topic ..

Her campaign this year is somewhat less historic--in particular this faux race coming up .

You can spin that all you want, but this Monmouth endeavor is historic only in its absurdity .

Time to look forward and get the shades of delusion off .

If this campaign was run by any other horse, they would be laughed at for Breeder's Cup potential, and even more so as a potential candidate for HOY .

I changed my avatar for you, since you like looking so much, now you see yourself. It was no problem, no need to Thank me.

So if a bunch of Grade I winning turf horses had shown up for Rachel's Woodward on conventional dirt, and she had rolled by 10, you'd naturally admit that it was the stronger race?

Please. She ran on dirt, against dirt horses who were in solid form at the time.

Zenyatta won the year's biggest "dirt" race against a bunch of turf horses.

Of course it's disingenuous, but that's nothing new.

Who's the guy that looks like Frankie Rodriguez without the specs?

Touche stalkerboy.

We both know thats not true, and I cant be boy if Im older then you, son.
Admit it was a slick and funny move, and Ill take it down.

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

Then they should be viewed as separate entities, both special and difficult in their own ways. This I can see eye to eye on.

Relax. Don't get all worked up over everything.

Joey is definitely a good guy.

I know. Thanks Phil.

Just Jenda would be 1-9 against this field if no Rachel, at least she is a recent stakes winner, these others are frigging claimers.

According to some, facing that type over and over is befitting of a HOY campaign, so here's a toast to Rachel repeating in 2010!!!!!

Sprekende Kut

someone with a realistic outlook. i don't even understand the argument, seeing that i'm not a bandwagon jumper. so, i won't even mention names....just the facts. one horse is doing really well, the other is not. one horse shipped in (oaklawn) ready to run for 5 million......on dirt, the other did not. one horse is knocking down grade 1's, the other is running in some ridiculous set up race. one horse will be at the BC classic...on dirt, if all is well. from the schedule of the other horse....well, i'll believe it when i see it.....its so painfully obvious....its not even funny. i hope the race happens and i get to bet it because if the odds are even close...its free money........lol. i could care less about the rachelist or the zentards.. i care about the reality of who is winning and who is not...when i bet. this is 2010, not 2009....throw last years forms out and its not even close.

THIS attitude is terrible for the sport. Is there anything worse than the idea that the only thing that matters is the stupid Breeder's Cup? Every time I hear/read somebody say something Todd Schruppian like this, I get annoyed.

I really don't think this is fair to actual crows out there, who would provide a much more entertaining race for Rachel on Saturday.

it's also not very logical. zenyatta ran in the bcc last year, all it earned her was older mare honors. if it didn't earn hoy last year, why would it this year? and it is a terrible attitude. one race does not a year make.

Anyone who understands the game knows the above is crap. Last years Classic was on synthetics, this years is on dirt. Last year a lot of the dirt horses ducked it, this year EVERYONE IS POINTING THERE. If she stays undefeated and beats Quality Road in the Classic she is HOY.
I really dont think there is any argument against this.

FTFY

But with the weak schedule she has put up in 2010, they have made it an all or nothing proposition when it comes to HOY. If she had won races like the Hollywood Gold Cup or Pacific Classic, then should might be able to win HOY without winning the BC Classic.

lol

sure it is. one race isn't enough, i don't care who is running or where. it wasn't enough last year, it shouldn't be enough any year. and no decent dirt horse ducked the bcc other than rachel, who apparently didn't need to show to get top honors.

remind me again, who won hoy when volponi won the classic? who won hoy the second year tiznow won the classic?

You keep saying things like one race and lol... I dont understand if its only because your talking to me, or if you are just to stubburn or if you just dont understand. She is winning GRADE 1'S, not listed ungraded Stakes races.

oh, so now there is more to it than just winning the bcc? make up your mind, please. and yes, i am stubborn. but i'm sure you knew that.

and i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for zenyatta to beat qr, blame, et al on dirt. i'm not holding my breath for her to even show up.


this is your comment, is it not:

'I just think at this point, if Z runs in the Classic like they say they will, nothing else really matters'. ??

In a perfect world, I would love Quality Road to win HOY and for Zenyatta to beat him on the square in the classic, IF this did happen, I wonder how many would remember who the HOY was in 2010? BUT how many would remember the race that they both competed in...That is why I have stated multiple times I don't care one bit who wins HOY. It's great for discussion forums and chat rooms but does any sane horseracing fan really care years from now that Curlin or a Point Given were once winners of the award? I know I don't.

But haven't we been lead to believe that the Mosses care about HOY; that's why they "unretired" Zenyatta.

I think lots of people remember who the horse of the year was, at least more so than the winner of the Breeders Cup Classic. I also think you guys still are crazy in thinking Zenyatta's running in the Classic.

They probably care, just how much I do not know. I do think if I were them, her career legacy is what is more important rather than one singular yearly award. That is why I am willing to give them some rope if they close her career out with races that can be termed as truly challenging.

Come on, man, the entire reason for unretiring her was for HOY/win record purposes. You know this.

I'm not naive enough to believe it wasn't part of their rationale, however to say winning HOY was the main reason they came back would be hard for anyone to fathom. Perhaps going for an unprecedented 3rd BC title, to prove she can be equally effective on dirt in the Classic and the Apple Blossom, for historical reasons, all are equally contributing factors.

I don't have the time to research it, but I am sure there is some Zenyatta connection quote out there saying they're going for the win record and HOY this season. Yes, going after the freaking Apple Blossom was their reason for unretiring her. Good God almighty.

Depends on how "light" it comes up :D

That's taking it out of context, and furthermore if we were all to live by quotes in a few select publications, may he(looks at the ceiling) all help us.

Since neither you nor I know anybody in Team Zenyatta, what else are we to go on other than the quotes directly attributed to the people who own the horse? You seriously cannot be serious.