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Coach Pants 05-26-2010 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651496)
I thought you had compared Bush's reaction of 9/11 to Obama's of Day 35 of the BP spill?

There are two different arguements happening here...If you want to say that by now the US Govt should be more involved?..Sure..I can't argue that. But to say that situation is comparable to Katrina or 9/11 or to say it's Obama's Spill is crazy I think. It's just Republican's looking for an edge.
Or it's Independents and Libertarians sick of Mr. Talkie-Talkie and want him to actually do something other than Talkie-Talkie.

GBBob 05-26-2010 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 651499)
Or it's Independents and Libertarians sick of Mr. Talkie-Talkie and want him to actually do something other than Talkie-Talkie.
Then there needs to be more of them because otherwise they will be stuck on the sidelines sending in plays

dellinger63 05-26-2010 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651489)
:zz:

Sorry, you'll have to clarify. I do not have a clue what fight you are trying to start, over what :D
Big clue...

forget it

OK

google france nuclear energy

Riot 05-26-2010 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651501)
Big clue...

forget it

OK

google france nuclear energy
:zz: France is France (good for them), this is America. I have already said,

Quote:
I don't care for nuclear, there are safer ways to make steam
And, no, that doesn't make me "anti- Euro".

Rudeboyelvis 05-26-2010 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651496)
I thought you had compared Bush's reaction of 9/11 to Obama's of Day 35 of the BP spill?

There are two different arguements happening here...If you want to say that by now the US Govt should be more involved?..Sure..I can't argue that. But to say that situation is comparable to Katrina or 9/11 or to say it's Obama's Spill is crazy I think. It's just Republican's looking for an edge.
9-11 - Bush was in charge, never saw it coming, reacted accordingly in a Federal disaster (though the debate on his reaction can certainly be debated until the history of man runneth not to the contrariety)

Katrina - We've been through this - the Constitution? Federal not over running the state's authority (of course that's the convenient draw in)

I don't recall the Mayor of New Orleans, Governor of LA, or any State Senator from the gulf coast playing politics here (like what happened in Katrina)telling the Federal Gov't to stay out... Like what happened in Katrina.

You're boy put foreign interest in charge without any oversight whatsoever. Except the "oversight" of the Interior Dept. that have already been well versed in Chicago politics, sucking up to the money and passing a blind eye to what they've benn entrusted.

This is 100% on you're guy - not only showing how weak our paper tiger gov't is to international corporate oil, but more importantly, what he is made of.

dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651505)
:zz: France is France (good for them), this is America. I have already said, ".
:zz: WTF are you talking about? Shouldn't good for them be better for us or are you really ignorant to the U.S.A. v. World in say economics? How about a world health care plan paid by us (U.S.A.)

Riot 05-26-2010 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651517)
:zz: WTF are you talking about? Shouldn't good for them be better for us or are you really ignorant to the U.S.A. v. World in say economics? How about a world health care plan paid by us (U.S.A.)
No, I don't think that good nuclear for France means good (better) nuclear for the USA. Said that twice already.

dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651518)
No, I don't think that good nuclear for France means good (better) nuclear for the USA. Said that twice already.
I get it now, the same as child sex for Muhamad?

dellinger63 05-26-2010 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651524)
I get it now, the same as child sex for Muhamad?

OK i didn't get it but I tried

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651479)
That's exactly the point...less dependancy on oil makes this all unnecessary
Less dependence on oil is a pipedream. Pardon the pun

Rudeboyelvis 05-26-2010 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651527)
Less dependence on oil is a pipedream. Pardon the pun
I can (in Florida...not sure how this would work in other parts) convert my residence to complete solar for 150K... AND store enough energy to SELL energy BACK to Progress Energy (our local electric company).... yet I PAY my electric company to cool my house BY AN OIL FIRED ENERGY PLANT... You hear nothing about this... From the same people in charge getting their pockets lined by big oil....

GBBob 05-26-2010 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651527)
Less dependence on oil is a pipedream. Pardon the pun
Disagree

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 651537)
I can (in Florida...not sure how this would work in other parts) convert my residence to complete solar for 150K... AND store enough energy to SELL energy BACK to Progress Energy (our local electric company).... yet I PAY my electric company to cool my house BY AN OIL FIRED ENERGY PLANT... You hear nothing about this... From the same people in charge getting their pockets lined by big oil....
Wouldnt 150k be considerd a little pricey for the avg American?

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651541)
Disagree
You can disagree all you want but all those cars need oil and I don't see that changing in our lifetime. But what do you want from me, I am a neanderthal who hates birds and trees, defends the NBA's officiating from rabid (disillusioned?) Celtics fans and shuns public transportation...

Rudeboyelvis 05-26-2010 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651546)
Wouldnt 150k be considerd a little pricey for the avg American?
40 inch Plasma TV's were 8K 10 years ago... Of course Solar has been around for decades and Big Oil has squelched any advancements so 150K to run AND sell energy is where we are now....

Of course amortized over 15 years ( given the typical 30 year mortgage) along with the (Obama GREEN) feeble tax incentives, you still would not only be living energy independent, but would actually be making money from your residence...

The last thing they need to hear.

Until Obama sells the Sun.

to BP.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 651566)
40 inch Plasma TV's were 8K 10 years ago... Of course Solar has been around for decades and Big Oil has squelched any advancements so 150K to run AND sell energy is where we are now....

Of course amortized over 15 years ( given the typical 30 year mortgage) along with the (Obama GREEN) feeble tax incentives, you still would not only be living energy independent, but would actually be making money from your residence...

The last thing they need to hear.
All very true but doesnt change the fact that our dependence on oil is not ever going to be significantly decreased in our lifetimes without some unforseen technical advance. The fact that the oil barons have the most money isnt going to change.

Rudeboyelvis 05-26-2010 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 651568)
All very true but doesnt change the fact that our dependence on oil is not ever going to be significantly decreased in our lifetimes without some unforseen technical advance. The fact that the oil barons have the most money isnt going to change.
I would contend that global development (India, China, Vietnam, etc) is the source of strain on global oil resources that we are experiencing relative to our past.
And perhaps it is all relative; we are using less, but the world is using more. In the 70's and 80's we were sucking it down like water. But then again "Made in the USA" meant something and now it means nothing.... In the face of this, I really think we have definitely made drastic improvements relative to the rest of the planet. Hydrogen fuel cells, solar, wind... it is the only answer - and it MUST occur in our time. The only reason it won't is because it has become a multi-billion dollar cottage to discourage it's development.

Cannon Shell 05-26-2010 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 651575)
I would contend that global development (India, China, Vietnam, etc) is the source of strain on global oil resources that we are experiencing relative to our past.
And perhaps it is all relative; we are using less, but the world is using more. In the 70's and 80's we were sucking it down like water. But then again "Made in the USA" meant something and now it means nothing.... In the face of this, I really think we have definitely made drastic improvements relative to the rest of the planet. Hydrogen fuel cells, solar, wind... it is the only answer - and it MUST occur in our time. The only reason it won't is because it has become a multi-billion dollar cottage to discourage it's development.
Call me a pessimist but I think that those forms of energy are but a flea on the giant dog's ass of energy consumption.

Wind energy is used to produce electricity. Oil produces less than 2.5% of our electricity. The vast majority of electricity produced in the US is from coal fired plants, nuclear power plants and natural gas.

Solar Energy is cost prohibitive as we have seen.

Hydrogen fuels cells are promising but a long ways away from being a factor.

The fact is that we aren't going to be reducing in any significant manner the use of automobiles which is where the oil turned gas is going.

Coach Pants 05-26-2010 11:57 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

John Mankins.

The whores in Washington won't fund it. I wonder why.

Antitrust32 05-27-2010 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 651430)
I agree completely with, "why the heck is this still going on, why has nothing been done" - I'm furious over that.

But the trouble is, regarding "the government taking over": what is the government supposed to do after they "take over"? Serious question. They've been "supervising" BP - the government doesn't have the equipment, or the manpower, or the technology (not that BP specifically does, they are winging it at this depth). I suppose one could scream at BP louder? It's obvious BP could care less about the environmental damage in any sense other than PR and fines. I think the only thing that could have been done by the government was get on BP faster, more quickly, about their covering up the amount of spilled oil; bring in independent scientists sooner as government agents? I thought that happened after two weeks, I could be wrong.

I heard that there are oil company tankers (sitting full of oil) that Obama could command to the area to take up spilled oil from the surface (they can separate out the water/oil), but what do they do with the thousands of gallons of oil already on board (they would have to empty out somewhere, somehow, first), and can the President commandeer private property? (I assume he could in a national disaster, don't know)

i find it hard to believe that the Navy doesnt have any technology that would seriously help plugging this leak. but thats just me.

dellinger63 05-27-2010 09:12 AM
Looks like it may have been plugged! At least from the video feed.

witchdoctor 05-27-2010 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651634)
Looks like it may have been plugged! At least from the video feed.

I guess Obama scared them in getting it done.

Thunder Gulch 05-27-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651634)
Looks like it may have been plugged! At least from the video feed.
I hope so but lets just hope Prez doesn't go in tomorrow (a month late) and declare mission accomplished. The cleanup- or failure to execute a plan to preemptively address it is my biggest problem with this disaster. It's too late for a lot of areas now, and by some accounts damage could have been mitigated to a degree. No excuse for that from anyone and if BP wasn't getting the job done, the government should have had the courage to step in. Complete failures all the way around.

Coach Pants 05-27-2010 10:55 AM

philcski 05-27-2010 11:14 AM
2,1

Patrick333 05-27-2010 01:41 PM
Fixing oil disaster my responsibility, Obama says

President Barack Obama defensively and sometimes testily insisted on Thursday that his administration, not oil giant BP, was calling the shots in responding to the worst oil spill in the nation's history.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure this thing is shut down," Obama declared at a news conference in the East Room of the White House. The Gulf of Mexico oil spill dominated the hour-long session.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama

Thunder Gulch 05-27-2010 02:40 PM
Talk is cheap when you haven't proceeded with any urgency for a crisis in the past month.

timmgirvan 05-27-2010 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 651723)
Talk is cheap when you haven't proceeded with any urgency for a crisis in the past month.
:tro::tro:

Danzig 05-27-2010 05:27 PM
i'm sure it's all bushes fault. after all, halliburton was involved. which means dick cheney is in there somewhere...poor obama, having to clean up yet another republican eff up. :rolleyes:

geeker2 05-27-2010 05:29 PM
Q: The spill?

THE PRESIDENT: The spill. And it's not just me, by the way. When I woke this morning and I'm shaving and Malia knocks on my bathroom door and she peeks in her head and she says, "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?"

Not to worry he is on the job!

He should have said " Yes honey just go ask your Mommie"

dellinger63 05-27-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 651780)
[i]

He should have said " Yes honey just go ask your Mommie"
Haliburton as a sub-contractor?

dellinger63 05-28-2010 08:09 AM
Air Force 1 just left O'Hare for Louisiana. See he cares!

GBBob 05-28-2010 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651917)
Air Force 1 just left O'Hare for Louisiana. See he cares!
If you don't think he cares, then Chuck's must have opened early today:D

timmgirvan 05-28-2010 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651917)
Air Force 1 just left O'Hare for Louisiana. See he cares!
going to get his gumbo.....

dellinger63 05-28-2010 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651919)
If you don't think he cares, then Chuck's must have opened early today:D

I know he cares this is finally one of those bi-partisian moments. Like post 9-11 before the loons were out suspecting Bush flew the jets into the buildings via remote control. Chucks has been taken over by 'the tourists' for the summer. Tons of Germans for some reason.

GBBob 05-28-2010 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 651922)
I know he cares this is finally one of those bi-partisian moments. Like post 9-11 before the loons were out suspecting Bush flew the jets into the buildings via remote control. Chucks has been taken over by 'the tourists' for the summer. Tons of Germans for some reason.
Tell them to come down and see Klink run on Monday:D

geeker2 05-28-2010 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651928)
Tell them to come down and see Klink run on Monday:D
:tro:

dellinger63 05-28-2010 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 651928)
Tell them to come down and see Klink run on Monday:D
Baby steps we're just trying to figure out how to get them to wear propper trunks instead of speedos. I'll see ya some time this w/e. Probably Mon. and I'll mention it to the 3rd reich assembled. I find it amazing how many drink Miller Light with Hacker Pschorr, Becks, Guiness etc avaiable.

Riot 05-28-2010 11:38 PM
Nasa Time Lapse of Oil spill
 
What the hell are we doing to ourselves?


http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-as-it-changes

hi_im_god 05-29-2010 03:07 PM
http://www.ijustmadethisup.com/joe_h.../pg1985/nascar

exxon valdez captain gracious as bp named greatest spill ever.

emotional capt. joe hazelwood speech: "i had my time. records are made to be broken."


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