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Mo Williams was getting worked and manned up. Otherwise they're toast and still might be. He's too god-damned slow.

That said it's a concern for Boston that Rondo has 27 and 12 and they still lose.

Doc Rivers sucks btw and should be fired after this season.

Yes it is obviously a ruse and everybody knows the NBA is fixed which is why they pave the way to the title for Cleveland every year...

This is all true, but pretty ironic coming from a fan of a team that contains both Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. Pierce makes LeBron look like a rank amateur in the drama quieen department.

The refs have had a 60 year vendetta against Boston, someday they'll get that title. did you ever see game 5 of the 1976 Eastern Conference Championship series?? I did.

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.

Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

Nothing at all. Tell me what a couple of bad calls against Boston last night has to do with anything?? Go ahead 'm waiting.

The difference between a win and a loss in a seven-game series? I'm not following your comparison.

ateam....there are bad calls every single game in every single NBA game played. Boston had more calls against them last night than Cleveland did. I saw a couple bad calls against Cleveland too, more bad calls went agaisnt Boston. And...?? I'm trying to figure out what your point is? There is no conspiracy. Jordan pushed off against Russell in Salt Lake, no call. What are you whining about? Seriously? Superstars always get more calls. Maddux and Glavine had the biggest strike zone in major league history.

Again, what point are you trying to make?

Boston has gotten those calls many times in it's history. That is my comparison.

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

I agree. The stars get calls regardless of era except the giant guys. This is the first NBA superstar Cleveland has ever had in it's history. That's why I don't give a crap. The previous best Cavs teams were in the Jordan era. I saw how it goes. Yeah, super delayed karma...but this series is far from over. It will reverse somewhat in Boston...the calls. that happens too. LeBron is the only guy on Cleveland who gets calls. Shaq was in foul trouble the whole game, Jamison was in foul trouble.

I thought Mo Williams got some very questionable calls in that game as well, and it's not just the fouls that are BS. I understand why you can justify the preferential treatment, but I think you can also understand why that's not possible for me.

The only calls I remember the refs missing was a charge that Williams drew on Rondo and the offensive goaltebding on Shaq on his putback with 120 to go. But the refs were hardly to blame for Pierce's sluggish game or Garnett fading down the stretch. And who was checking Williams during his one man rally? There are lots of reasons teams win or lose but the refs are rarely the cause. Last night was no exception.


http://www.basketballprospectus.com/...articleid=1113
Good recap

This is baseless. You view the game through green tinted glasses and from your comments obviously have some sort of axe to grind with Cleveland and LeBron.

Your assumption that the "NBA" wishes that its strongest team and best player plays and remains in Cleveland, OH is a stretch considering that they have been to the Finals once in LBJ's 6 years in what was the least watched and lowest revenue generating Finals ever.

So what you are basically saying is that the games are fixed and that if we disagree with you WE are the stupid ones?

What else is it? The postgame spread is weak? The showers in the lockerroom only have cold water? The fans booed too loud?

If anything the stars get less calls then they did in the past. Dwight Howard a perfect case in point. No one in league history got more calls than Larry Bird.

No, genius, I'm saying that there were other bad calls besides fouls. Thanks for reminding me of two terrible calls that I forgot about, BTW. Again with the ancient history. Larry Bird has nothing to do with this series. If you don't think last night was one-sided from the refs, you're either a complete moron or you hate the Celtics.

I also really am not in the mood to argue semantics with you for five hours, so we'll just leave it that David Stern and his referees are completely impartial arbiters who have no interest in one player or team over another and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theory loon.

Jesus, at least horseofcourse doesn't play dumb.

They arent terrible calls, just calls that I believe went the wrong way. Of course I was able to deduce this from watching the replay on tv which isnt something that the refs are able to do. As a matter of fact offensive goaltending is a call that is rarely made anymore for whatever reason.

Last night was a fairly officiated game. Any inference that is wasnt is either biased or simply not knowledgable.

Perhaps you should focus more on things such as your coaches inability to come up with a scoring play down the stretch? Your rants about the refs make you sound eerily like a certain Yankee fan (a famously banned poster) that was certain that biased umpires kept them from winning the World Series every year.

Then if you are convinced of that why watch?

There is no more manipulative organization in sports than the NCAA yet I never hear you complain about the refs there.....oops I forgot you think those refs are all cheating too.

The NBA is far more wwf than NCAA basketball. 8 different teams have won championships since 1980 in the NBA. That's harrible.

This tournament had bad officiating, but overall NCAA refs are a billion times more down the middle than NBA refs. I can't believe you would even argue this.

LOL

I find it funny that people who hate the NBA and have stated that they dont watch it much suddenly are experts on it.

NBA refs generally do a good job.

McIlroy
 

This kid can play! I was out there today and the conditions were very tough. He just killed it out there.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/2/...overshadows-an

http://www.smittyonsportsandstuff.co...tics-lose.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...e-one-collapse

http://celticshub.com/2010/05/01/fun...-93/#more-7847

google Celtic blogs and randomly picked game summaries from Celts fans

not many ref complaints

:wf

Sure they do. I know you. I know you can't believe this. Why do you think I hate the NBA? For fun?

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/1/...nding#comments

Plenty of ref complaints in the actual game recap, not a cherry-picked feature piece about Rondo.

I love the NBA. At the same time, how can you not question calls when the financial interests of the league depend on certain players going further in the playoffs?

Of course, refs can not entirely dictate the outcome of a game. At the same time, I can't deny that there are some key moments where a 50/50 game can be swung one way or the other.

The differences between the NBA and the way other sports leagues are marketed are many. One thing that David Stern changed in the marketing of the league was the emphasis he placed on marketing individual stars as opposed to entire teams. He has stated this in the past. It is important to the league that those stars get the most exposure. Again, it isn't going to change entire games and generally the best team wins. Sometimes, they are given a little extra help.

Cherry picked...you are impossible. Read the game recaps not the retards making comments. Like I said i randomly picked Celtic blogs and didnt see much complaining about the refs from people who you would think are ardent Celtic fans.

Sure there is a little button that Stern pushes from the league office and activates the refs whistles when a close game is on the line.

While there is a certain truth to some of what you say, the matchups that have come through the last few years (with the exception of Boston/LA) are hardly the optimum revenue producers.

The game is marketed differently because the top players are far more important in basketball than they are in other sports. Payton Manning is probably the most important player to his team in football yet he isnt even on the field half the game. Same with baseball players. Not to mention that there are a whole lot fewer of them.

Missing FT's and not boxing out contribute to 10000 times more losses than some perceived ref bias.

The guys writing the recaps hardly ever complain about refs, their job is to write about the team. The people making comments aren't Celtic fans? OK, got it. Your attempt to validate the refereeing is straight comedy. You pick an article about Rondo and say "see, no ref complaints." LMAO.

Didnt realize the blogging sector in the job market was so lucrative that people are getting paid so much to do them that they wouldnt notice all these terrible calls. I guess David Stern controls all the information flow.

I didnt pick anything, I just posted links, perhaps the more pertinent stroy was further down the line?

I am not attempting to validate anything. I just thought that if the refs were so terrible than someone with some credentials however flimsy would be writing about them.

How bad could the refs have been? Rasheed didnt even get a T.

The refs didnt play the defense that let the Cavs back in the game. There was one three that Lebron hit at the end of the game where Pierce literally has his back to him. I guess he learned all of those great defensive fundamentals from Roy Williams at KU.

The celtic bench was outscored 26-12 and their big 3 was outshot by the cav big three. ultimately, this put them in a position where the refs could have a say in the outcome.

The hack on pierce with the game tied that wasnt called was pretty huge. I don't think Stern sits in his office and pushes a button but I don't doubt that the refs have an idea of which way calls need to go if there is a grey area.

That is ridiclous

:rolleyes:

It is pretty much a given that home teams get more calls than road teams. It is reasonable to assume that a star may get a call that a lesser player may not get. But the idea that the league instructs its refs to fix games is preposterous.

Fix games? No. Have the grey area go a certain direction? You are acting like this is some kind of original idea. You are acting like refs are beyond reproach. Even the FBI says that they found some truth in Donaghy's claims. Are they being ridiculous as well?

Determining the outcome of a game by making intentionally erroneous calls is fixing the game. The idea while not original is still ridiclous.

I am not acting like the refs are beyond reproach in any manner. I am acting like the idea that the NBA instructs its refs to insure that a certain teams wins a game is nonsense.

Video review also showed that in many of the games Donaghy supposedly bet on, there were no controversial or even blatantly wrong calls made by him.

There would be far too many people with this knowledge to keep it a secret and there is no way the NBA is letting San Antonio win all those titles. They are ratings death.

Not to mention if the NBA did want to "arrange" the outcome, they would have wanted Boston to win the opener to grow interest in the series.