You have a good point. If not both parties are willing, then it is also rape. But what prompts the dominant guy to want to do this to another guy when he was straight previously?

I agree with God's point on this. I think sexuality is fluid. I know a girl (previously strictly lesbian as far as I knew) who is now dating a transexual male. Very much in love. She met her boyfriend via an ad and placed the ad in search of a relationship with a male transexual.

What does that make her? She is having heterosexual sex with a transexual male.

Sex is fluid. I am not a lesbian but if you left me alone with Antritrust long enough you never know :p. I have found women to be attractive...but that doesnt make me a lesbian. And if I did try it once (only with lori!), would that make me a lesbian going forward? Would my 30 some odd years of hetero-life be thrown aside for a single daliance?

I find it odd that society is so intent on throwing out labels. Timmi, Im sure Steve Byk would be flattered if he knew that you found his voice to be cool and that you like the way he wears his hats. And if one night after one too many budweisers (nice manly beer!) and listening to ATR and BEYOND you found yourself "really" admiring Steve, it wouldn't make you "gay".

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Wow... great post. You rock Dala!

Thank god... Look what happened the one time you actually did.

At least. Why limit them?

Wait... Am I being propositioned?









Or cruised?

Thanks for the info......I was worried,knucklehead!

Wait a second here...

Steve Byk-

You have admirers the world over!!! And your voice is cool and I love the way you wear your hat...regardless of timmi.

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thud

Steve: I think you're being stalked by Dala

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i'm only like 12 hours or so from D.C btw

Are you implying a new meaning for the word....."thud"?

Thread of the year material.
If your a guy and wanna have relations with another guy, cool.
If your a woman and wanna have relations with another woman, cool, especially if I can chip in:)
Who am I, in the big picture, to judge?
Who are any of us, in the big picture, to judge?

I used to be biased, I could not stand the idea of same sex relations until I worked with a gay man who became a great friend of mine. He opened my eyes to his life because I was willing. I was willing to listen and learn. At first I did not want to be seen with him, shame on me, but as time grew on I realized he is no threat, he's not some weirdo. Todd is a great friend to this day and I value his friendship greatly.

I believe you are born gay or straight, its in the making.

Why would you choose to be discriminated against for the rest of your life by society? No one chooses a hard life. Being gay means things will be slightly tougher for you than the average, straight person.

For that reason, I believe you are born with it.

And even if that's wrong, even if it was a choice, what people do in the bedroom doesn't really affect anyone else, so I don't see the problem either way.

It all boils down to treating a person with dignity and respect no matter what thier orientation is as long as they also treat you with dignity and respect. I have no problems with a person who is a lesbian or gay. Ive met people like that before. Dont push it on me and we will get along just fine.

That is is a great post..But do you think they should have equal rights and benefits as married couples do?

And the problem is that, and I'm speaking from great experience here, but very general experience, that "don't push it on me," means don't hold hands in public, don't kiss your partner on the cheek, don't give me ANY idea at all that you're gay and we'll be great friends!

That's not exactly a welcome mat for gay folks...though lots of conservative heteros like to think it is, until you really flesh out what "don't push it on me," means to them -- nine times out of ten, it's 'please don't make me feel uncomfortable and even realize you're gay....if i have no clue at any point that you're gay, then I support you...otherwise you're pushing it in my face.'

It's a pretty important point to make.

Ive never seen a trailer park with a rainbow flag at the entrance.

Im sure there are gay guys all over the world that are just lining up to push their "gayness" on you. By the way, Timmi is straight.

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It's a choice! :D

I work with someone like that and yesterday, she was talking with someone else about American Idol and when the other girl mentioned Ellen Degeneres the woman felt a need to say "I just don't agree with that lifestyle!" That had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, but she felt compelled to say it.

that's what gets me, when folks say that. exactly what does that mean? how does one push ones sexual orientation? if i tell a gay person that i'm married, am i pushing my straightness on them? maybe it's similar to someone explaining they aren't racist and mentioning they have a black friend.? my mother in law has a black friend, she's still racist through and through. yet she mentions she has one as a way of saying, no, when i say n_____ i'm not really being racist.

i know you asked nascar, but i'll answer. emphatically, yes! it's odd-we proclaim ourselves as the land of the free, yet other countries are ahead of us in this regard. whether states wish to recognize is one thing, i think the feds need to lead the way here. after all, it's our constitution that says all are created equal...now, arkansas' state constitution on the other hand......ugh.

Polygamist

It all boils down to treating a person with dignity and respect no matter what thier filthy deviation is as long as they also treat you with dignity and respect. I have no problems with a person who is a pervert. Ive met people like that before. Dont push it on me and we will get along just fine.

this just seems more honest.

thats just not fair.

I always love the "I'm fine with it, but just don't push it on me" qualified acceptance sentiment.

Chances are if chicks aren't beating your door down, gay guys think you're ugly too.

And what do you care if a gay guy hits on you? Tell him you're not interested and walk away. How is that any different from a chick you think is ugly hitting on you?

I honestly took Nascar's "dont push it on me" as basically "just dont hit on me" which is a perfectly fine response. If he meant it as "dont let me know or ever talk about your partner and I'm cool".. then thats one thing. If he doesnt want a man to hit on him, there really is no problem in that.

It would be nice to see Nascar clarify that statement, but he might be getting some unfair criticism.

The point is that it presupposes that getting hit on by gay men is a frequent enough issue for him that he has to include that qualification. Somehow I doubt that's the case. It also implies that being hit on by a gay guy is somehow more offensive/dangerous/scary than being hit on by an ugly girl, and I don't understand why/how that is.

some guys just feel really uncomfortable being hit on by a gay man. Other guys (like you) are more comfortable with their own sexuality, and it wont bother them much to just say "no" to a gay guy and move on.

neither reaction is wrong, and you are correct, there is probably a 99% chance Nascar will not be hit on by any gay guys anyway.

Agree with this. I got hit on by gay guys when I lived in NY ALL THE TIME. Didn't bother me at all. Some of my friends would get extremely uncomfortable when even approached. It's really how comfortable you are with yourself than anything else.

Nope.

You just responded by buying another pink shirt.

LOL... I'm wearing one right now, just for you.

I was hoping he'd respond, too. The post I made after he wrote that was important because for LOTS of people "don't push it on me," means FAR less than "don't hit on me." Their idea of having sexuality "pushed" on them is any time they actually have to wind up being aware that gay people exist and live normal lives and have partners, etc. Non-excessive public affection (ie, a kiss on the cheek, holding hands, etc) is "pushing it on them."

LOL. Chances are that if chicks think you're ugly, gay men think you're even worse...and probably say lots of nastier stuff about you behind your back because of it.

Perhaps she was referring to people who watch American Idol?

I have no problem with gay people but those who watch American idol....They worry me...

Six pages of discussion on this and nobody has just gone right to the source and asked GPK or Scav? Shame.

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Amen brother.

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