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No one ever said abuse the horses, but if you are so uninformed as to think more than 40% of the horses who go to the gate don't have something bothering them, you are joking. There is a lot of gray area when it comes to is the horse able to go or not. I would never abuse a hores, but you sometimes have to start one that is a little sore or you'd never enter a horse.

as much as in pains me, Sharp Post.

One complete untruth posted several times in this thread is that Gill makes money on his horse racing operation. That being said this thread is still several levels above the drivel in the comment section on Paulicks site...

How would you know his P&L.. Your telling me he is doing this for the thrill of winning 5 claimers? I don't know if he is making money or losing money?

He's an ego maniac Freddy, why else would he operate the way he is?

There is a cyclopean difference between running a sore horse and knowingly running a horse that is on the verge of a catastrophic breakdown.

I believe that is the point, which you have obviously missed.

I don't know anything about Gill or his personality.. Have you met him or is your ego maniac chacterizeration based on track lure? He might be the jerk or a great charity sweet guy for all I know? I will say that if the jocks who are typically free agents only interested in there themselves are unified something appears to be very wrong.

I think the guy business is Mortgages in New England well that business can't be extremely profitable currently anyway.. I would think he is looking to earn not crack a bottle of Petrus when his 40 nickle claimer bounces on a field.

I don't think you can tell the difference. I've seen the soundest horses breakdown. Bad steps happen. I've also seen a horse who couldn't really work between starts win about 100k in a year in lower level claimers.

Making the call as to when the horse should and shouldn't be run is not as black and white as you seem to think.

You are right when you say accidents do happen but I would say that any dilligent trainer should and would know what is going on with their stock.
It is apparent that riders have noticed a trend with Gill's horses and they have noticed enough to know it isnt worth the risk to ride them , for now anyway.

Obviously injuries of this nature can happen at anytime, anyone with even a limited knowledge of the game knows this.

You, sir, are not the only person on this board who has a history with ownership, or a knowledge of "making calls."

A reasonable decision process, on if a horse can race or is on the verge of breaking down and should not run, can be made. Is anything ever 100%, no, but with proper precautions and plausible judegment you can mitigate risk.

However, I guess this way of thinking is just considered being a "horsey lover," and not being a dilligent owner/trainer.

By just throwing caution into the wind, and running horses by any means necessary, even those who are on the verge of breaking down, you are knowingly risking the lives of every horse and every human in the race.

They won't even ride in races if they did ship in someone to ride the stock..That is saying a lot.

Gill has 2 in tomorrow, will his entries get scratched?

Of course he's losing money... though not as much as before cause of the purses.

And no question he gets a big thrill from winning nickle claimers.

It's all about having action.

It's not like he hasn't tried buying expensive horses. He's bought several unraced horses for low-to-mid six figures.

The most memorable of which was Forest Music.

Forest Music was the first horse to ever work a 1/4 mile in 20 and change at the Calder 2yo sale. She won her debut like a freak for Gill/Shuman in 1:08 2/5ths - got a 105 Beyer.

Two weeks later, they shipped the obvious sprinter across country to run in the BC Juvie Fillies in the Halfbridled-Ashado race. They basically set her way back.

The very first race after Gill sold her ... she went and dominated the Grade 2 Honorable Miss at Saratoga for Stonestreet/Asmussen.

The guy doesn't have the patience of your typical wealthy snob owner.

Talk about easy money.

If he was a politician he would just go out and get himself a hooker.

You're talking about Penn National .... a place where Steph Beattie (best juice ever?) gets elected president of the HPBA.

I voted for her.. Steph Beattie is aggressive were she places horses. When was her last positive?

she probably won because all the other beatties stuffed the ballot

Well written sir.
http://www.horsecouncil.org/pressrel...elfareCode.php

:tro: :tro: :tro:

She's had a few recent suspensions.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...uspension.aspx

Not to mention she single handedly accounted for 13 of the first 48 steroid overages at the states 3 race tracks....but hey, only doing stuff at 27% has to feel like a gigantic disapointment for her.

And I wouldn't care if she never had a positive... all I need to do is witness the form reversals and observe her magic to know she's possibly the games greatest alchemist of the past decade.

Todd must be so proud.

Divorced but friends

So she doesn't share her "juice"

what is the highest winning percentage trainer maybe for a meet with over 50 starts because there is a guy at Delta by the name Of Tony Richey who is 33 for 73 thats 45% almost win one, lose one, win one, lose one. That must be nice!

Her stuff is better than Todd's ... or any other Beattie for that matter.

When her horses ran under her boyfriends name (David Wells) ... look out.


Since 2004 .. horses racing in the name of trainer David Wells are 115-for-305 - winning at a mere 37.7% clip and with an impossible ROI of $2.84 ... yeah, a 42% profit on the betting dollar from an over 300 race sample size ....

Yeah ... there's your girl voted homecoming queen.

Gill is just the big dopey action fiend that all the horse people want run out of town. I don't blame them for their efforts. He's an easy guy to hate ... and Gill is taking a big chunk of pie they'd like split up among them.

An honest trainer, with lack of alchemy skill, can get to maybe 30% on a hot streak at a meet with agressive placing. Anything above 25% should still get the hairy eyeball.

You really think this is ALL about trainers being pissed that Gill is winning races? They voted the woman/trainer above president, you just proved that she is grabbing a ton of the pie. So they hate Gill because he is taking the Pie and like Beattie? I dont get it.. You think the jocks care who pays them 10% of the purse? You think all the trainers banned together talked to the jocks and got them to boycott Gill? Come on they are falling at 35mph with 1100lb horses trouncing them? Sure they hate Gill for claiming there stock but do you see the Jocks banning together to boycott super trainer Jaime Ness?

I know this much ... Gill is being blown way out of proportion... and unlike Beattie or Ness .. he's not a respected horsemen and he's very easy to dislike.

When you run more than everyone else ... and when you claim the type of horses he claims ... and when you're reluctant to back off ... you're probably going to have the most breakdowns.

A few of his horses who were eased also came right back to run competitive a few weeks later. Imagine that ... jockeys courageous enough to ride Gill horses who had been eased just a few weeks earlier.

Wonder who is going to be the next trainer to step in and take over the Gill operation?

Freddy Mo.

Gill had his own trainers license and horses ran at Rockingham Park under his own name for a short time in the mid 90's.

I think he got hit with a clenbuterol and they found syringes in his barn or something.

I have no clue what possess a man to be king of the nickel claimers

Maybe you can be the next supertrainer. For starters...do you know how to put a figure eight together and read a condition book?

Is a figure 8 some sort of C.ck ring?

For now maybe just concentrate on the written part of the trainer's test. LOL

Good luck tomorrow

Thx

I am trying to figure out what the jockeys will be losing? With or without Gill wont there be the same amount of races and the same amount of purses given out?

Horses are athletes. There are physical conditions, some acute, some chronic, that are managed, as in all athletes. And there are physical conditions that threaten further harm if the horse runs with them.

No, not really any grey areas at all.

I have a little experience in what it costs to have thoroughbreds in training. He cant make money. It is impossible even for a gyp operation. Whether he is using the loss for some kind of tax relief is another question.