We shouldn't pay for it. Problem solved. No care.

Thanks Kev!!!!:)

But the point is that American citizens pay for the health care procedures of the uninsured RIGHT NOW. The current system is a system where people without coverage go to the emergency room and receive treatment that people with coverage pay for. That is the way it currently works.

I take it you want to fundamentally change the current system so that if uninsured people go to the emergency room they simply get kicked out. That's fine if that is your opinion, but I seriously doubt if you will even get many Republicans to go to voters with that agenda.

i would rather they passed something with incentives for more employers to offer insurance. since it seems for the most part to be handled by businesses anyway, they need to make it easier, more affordable to get for small businesses. then, if it didn't cost the employer so much, they in turn wouldn't have to get the employee to pay such a large portion. more purchasers in turn drives down cost. more purchasers engenders more competition as well between insurers.

You're right. Brown ran a fantastic campaign and worked hard for this win. Coakley just assumed it was hers and went to Washington fundraisers when she should have been campaigning here. She also insulted too many different groups and seemed unconcerned about it. Early on, they just assumed women would vote for her because she's a woman. By Monday, it was "women are voting for Brown because he posed in Cosmo and is good-looking". It never occurred to them that women could actually vote on issues. She insulted Catholics. Big mistake there. The Kennedys were Irish Catholics and had many supporters there. Also the hispanic community is largely Catholic. lastly, she insulted the Red Sox fans. A big no-no in the Boston area especially. She gave an overall impression of "I'm better than the little people". That elitist attitude is wearing thin. Lastly, when the polls began to show a close race, she went extremely negative in her tv ads. I can't begin to tell you how that turned people off.
Both parties should learn something from this election. Voters are sick and tired of negative ads. They want to hear about the issues. Voters want someone who is listening to them and they don't care if they are republicans or democrats. Voters are tired of the far-right and far-left. The independent party (at least here in MA. although I'm pretty sure it's happening in the rest of the country) is growing because of this. As much as both extremes would like to believe, gay marriage and abortion are not the big issues. Most people accept that abortion is a personal choice and could care less if gay people get married. Independents can also think for themselves and don't need a political party to tell them how to vote. They also don't need a leader (hence the term "independent"). Scott Brown was elected because he listened to the people. If he goes to Washington and forgets that, he will be voted out in 2012 by those same people. The republicans would be making a big mistake if they think this election means politics as usual. Both parties have vastly underestimated the anger of the people. Hopefully this election will get their attention.

More than likely this country will treat the illegals just like this country wont do anything about the illegals and keep on kissing thier ass'. Glad I dont have to deal with this insurance.

Why did O'Dumbass give stimulus checks when we had to pay it back. Some form of stimulus.

kinda like the bush stimulus. i went from getting a little to paying a little. but i'm thinking you didn't complain then...

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

There should be no bailouts. Awful funny how these companies who got bailed out are giving out large bonus'. If sure it happened when Bush was in office.

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

In my country, we save people's lives first - everybody's life - then later worry about if they are some illegal Canadian.

You might call Nick Nicholson at Keeneland - they always have other countries flags the same height as the American flag on their flagpoles, and that poor flag etiquette has always bothered me.

Bush and Obama gave out loans, which have to be paid back, to companies. Not to citizens.

You haven't received a stimulus check from Obama, let alone one you have to pay back. You have received a payroll tax cut from Obama. Bush gave you a stimulus check, but you didn't have to pay it back.

??? Bush did that - Bush enacted and gave the first corporate bailouts.

Now, the Dems have proposed a tax on those large bonuses (which was included in the original law, that there has to be some legal provision enacted to get the money back), but the Repubs are screaming against that tax.

You could easily do that Republican Senator job. Talk about getting paid for doing nothing. Could just program robots to vote no. Actually some of them voted for the obviously biased racist to get confirmed to the Supreme Court. Have no idea why they voted for yes for that poor selection. Other than that political correctness, could of just had 40 robots showing up. What gets me is these Conservative doctors get all this education, and then would rather do a job so easy that any white trash tea party guy could do it. That a-hole from Oklahoma should be delivering babies, and cleaning up yeast infections. Nascar could easily cover that job in the senate.

I agree Nascar. If people want to be here, they need to speak american!

That was there. It was called, "the public option" and "insurance exchanges". The Republicans wouldn't approve it. So it's gone.

Now the House bill does have some insurance exchanges left for companies to try and buy less expensive insurance, but who knows if it will remain.

1) To begin with, Illegals shouldn't be getting in. Period. The people coming here for vacations should have to prove they have healthcare insurance, or stay the fk away.

2) If Illegals get in (with no insurance,) they should be treated in the E.R. only after all the seriously ill citizens are treated.

Oh, just wait when one of your pigs gets in there, and has gotta get 60% for everything. Your time is coming. Independents know the least about why something doesn't work. DEMS n' Repubs usually know exactly why something fails. They just won't admit it. Independents vote mainly on personality, n' that's why McCain couldn't get them, and that's why this cold fish couldn't get Independent Sox fans (even if she'd offered to blow em.) You gunna run a Pro-Choice candidate in 2012? You want INDEPENDENTS? Better do it. Can you get one the Repub nomination?.. Not.

No, they mainly don't care. A state with over 50% Independents is true sign that they don't give a fk about the issues. People who care about issues don't vote for people that disagree with them on the issues they care about. They elect Kennedy, and Romney. O.K.? Opposites. THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A SHT ABOUT THE ISSUES. That's not what people do when they actually care about the issues. For example, this guy feasted on the deal Nelson got, but why was that deal done? Well, it's that stupid 60% bullshit, and I highly doubt he cared to talk about that 60% issue. That's the real issue that created the problem he feasted on. I doubt these people (you say care about the issues) even cared about that very real problem that's gunna keep Presidents from being able to properly govern (from now on.)

the first 'stimulus' a few years back from bush, turned out to be an advance on a tax credit. that's what i was referring to when i said it messed up my taxes.

as for the tax on banks obama suggested...it always sounds nice when they say the big, bad corps are going to have to pay out, but we all know who ends up paying the extra. companies aren't going to alter their bottom line, so any other fees they have to pay will get passed on to us, the consumer.

If that's what it takes.

i think that's a shame. i'm all in favor of getting the budget righted...but we're all human beings. you really think people should be left to die for the sake of the almighty dollar?? if they can't prove they can pay the bill, they're to be ignored? somehow, if you were the one gasping in pain and needing care, i really think your thoughts on this would change.

Common sense should prevail but what care for everyone does is it doesn't put the responsibility of taking care of oneself on that person. If someone is morbidly obese, that is a lifestyle choice. Why should I have to pay for their Type 2 Diabetes treatment?....Businesses who run promotions to lose weight for money....guess what people lose weight. Put it back on people.

so is smoking, eating fried foods, red meat, not drinking enough milk, etc, etc. i'm not quite sure what a fat person has to do with your comments about letting people who are dying go without care so you don't have to pay. if everyone was insured, it would be the best way to handle medical treatment. that way, those of us with insurace wouldn't have to pay inflated prices to cover those who don't have insurance and have no way to pay. the question is, what is the best way to get everyone insured? the answer is not to completely lose our empathy towards others, and actually suggest letting people die by refusing treatment to save a buck. that's inhuman. do i think the current proposal in front on congress if the answer? no. but i find it disturbing that anyone would suggest turning a blind eye to someone in distress.
could we all do things to be healthier? sure. but i wouldn't suggest going thru the 'five guys burgers' thread to find people who practice bad eating habits and cancelling their coverage.

Danzig, if you came to this country illegally you don't deserve care...

Everyone paying for their own expenses is the best way to preserve our individual rights. There is no reason to make the government, or any third party for that matter, a participant in the relationship between a patient and their doctor.

When you pay for your own, whether directly or through an insurance company of your choosing, others have nothing to say about it. No one will tell you not to have a hamburger or try to control your life.

But when you choose to go on any form of "public assistance", that's not the case. The difference is that the Democrats want everyone to be a ward of the state so they will shut up and let them "rule".

i see. so, if someone comes here and get sick, we should let them die in the interests of money. that's incredibly cold-hearted. i'd hate to have the job of telling a frantic mother that her child was going to die so we could cover our budget. wow.


hey, i'm aware that illegal aliens can be a drain-but they are not the reason we're in the state we're in-and allowing them to die isn't the solution either. but, they're an easy target to aim at when times are tough.

btw, you are aware that social security takes in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from illegals who never get that money back? that one of the reasons ss remains solvent is the vast amounts of money folks pay in thru fake numbers, with no chance of ever getting it back?

should we do something about illegal aliens? absolutely. our borders evidently are too porous, and can allow people with far more dangerous ideas than using our health care in to this country, with far more tragic results.

being here illegally shouldn't be a death sentence either. tough punishment for that crime.

I can't even resond to something so ridiculous as this post. So many things wrong with it. I give up. Please pick some money off the money tree and spread it around.

Um, Senate Democrats, who had a fillibuster proof majority, did not approve the public option. but you already know that. It just goes against your agenda that you cant possibly say something good about a Republican or bad about a Dem.

I'm not illegal but that statement is true for me too.

The first word in "illegal aliens" is "illegal". They are breaking the law coming here. Frankly, it's the liberal attitude over the years that is responsible for encouraging this. "Just get to America...they pay for everything."

It's time for the decision to break our laws to carry risk and consequences. Maybe eventually the advice from one would-be illegal to another will be more like, "Don't risk it. If you're an illegal alien in America, not only will they lock you up and deport you, but you won't be able to get medical care since you need to be a citizen at their hospitals."

Sure, people from other countries would like to be here since we have more opportunity and freedom than the rest of the world. But the way to do that is to legally apply and be accepted by the official departments regulating that. We won't continue to have freedoms if we bankrupt ourselves looking after other people who, since illegal, should not be here in the first place.

Use that bleeding heart attitude for the citizens first. Charity begins at home.

We can not be secure w/o secure borders just as a home can not be secure w/o a locking front door no matter how many policemen patrol the area, period!
For God's sake the poor N. Korea w/its limited resources was able to apprehend Al Gore's girls seconds after they crossed their border. Liberals and even people on this board cried kidnapping but as it turns out N. Korea has a more secure border than us, the girls were wrong and lucky to be home and not picking grass for dinner.

Great post. I'm all about supporting some kind of immigration reform and finding a better way to police and manage who comes and goes. That said, even if someone is here illegally, letting them die on the steps of our hospitals even though we can save them, just to let them die on principle is disgusting.

Lol.

Ah, gotcha on the tax credit.

So you don't agree with taxing the bank bonuses as part of financial reform?

That last proves you really don't read what I post :D

I don't want that government intrusion in my life.

I already have to prove what I'm doing here to immigration sometimes when I'm just driving through New Mexico, Arizona near the southern border.

Not government ID cards. Useless, and they can be forged (and will be).

A fingerprint database linked to the one already used for "Social Security Numbers". That's a nonintrusive answer, and quite safe from identity theft concerns. Not many people would (or can) alter their fingerprints surgically, all ten of them, perfectly. Low risk.

You wouldn't have to carry a card. And the few times this passive device would be used is for security, or at a hospital, airport, buying a gun, proving you're of age at a bar, voting, etc. It would greatly simplify every current need we have for showing identification. And the illegals would have nowhere to hide their status.

It's not active. It would not track your whereabouts, though I suspect they can already do that with cell phones that we all carry.

riiiiiight :rolleyes:

the reason the public option isnt in the senate bill is republicans fault. Though you had 60 democrats who could have put in a public option, though the smart ones didnt want it.